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Lufthansa has not banned AirTags

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Re: Lufthansa has not banned AirTags

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Post by fphhotchips »

anu7df wrote: post #155
fphhotchips wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps on the upload but download bandwidth can seemingly deal with a plane full of people streaming Netflix these days, so that's not an issue.

Netflix on a plane? I have never seen that. Which onboard wifi allows that? Perhaps you are thinking of movies delivered via wifi, but the content is streamed from the plane itself.

Qantas has been able to do Netflix/Youtube/whatever on a plane with free wifi for several years. I'm not talking about onboard entertainment, which is a separate thing with a separate app (which is, on the domestic flights where free wifi is offered, largely obsolete at this point). It's not without momentary buffering issues, and I will tend to download things in advance for that reason, but 99% of the time it's pretty good.

Re: Lufthansa has not banned AirTags

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Post by judge2020 »

Quikinterp wrote: post #162
aliqot wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Airtags are explicitly not meant to track people. Apple goes out of their way to ensure them and their accessory partners do not advertise them being on a person regardless of age or relation to the airtag owner. In this same spirit, gun ads don't have intruders being arbitrated in the ads. Why would Apple display people being tracked? reply

I have never seen an ad for a gun of any kind. Off topic I know. But I didn't realise that until now. Do Americans have ads for guns anywhere? I've never seen it

Just online and possibly on interstate billboards, in my experience.

Re: Lufthansa has not banned AirTags

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Post by bombcar »

anu7df wrote: post #155
fphhotchips wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps on the upload but download bandwidth can seemingly deal with a plane full of people streaming Netflix these days, so that's not an issue.

Netflix on a plane? I have never seen that. Which onboard wifi allows that? Perhaps you are thinking of movies delivered via wifi, but the content is streamed from the plane itself.

Yeah they explicitly allowed movie streaming from basically any site but not voip.

There’s no way they had all the YouTube cached on the olane

Re: Lufthansa has not banned AirTags

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Post by robocat »

thombat wrote: post #137
mplewis9z wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lithium =/= Lithium-ion

The EU Aviation Safety Agency explicitly treats them as equivalent for safety purposes: https://www.easa.europa.eu/system/files/dfu/Background%20Inf...

Air New Zealand doesn’t allow trackers either - I expect most airlines don’t, so I don’t know why Lufthansa is getting shit here. Air NZ says: “Baggage Trackers (battery powered): Only battery powered baggage trackers that can be turned off i.e. are not in sleep mode, will be accepted in checked baggage. Some devices have an automatic On/Off feature, but not all. Always check the specifications of the device you want to buy as it may not be accepted by us. For those devices that have an auto On/Off feature, the tracking App must not be used in flight.” — https://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/travelling-with-lithium-batt...

FAA specifically allows non-rechargeable small Lithium cells if in equipment in checked baggage. However, the table on the second pages says that small battery/cell spares are not allowed in checked baggage. “Lithium metal batteries (a.k.a.: non-rechargeable lithium, primary lithium). These batteries are often used with cameras and other small personal electronics. Consumer-sized batteries (up to 2 grams of lithium per battery) may be carried. This includes all the typical non-rechargeable lithium batteries used in cameras (AA, AAA, 123, CR123A, CR1, CR2, CRV3, CR22, 2CR5, etc.) as well as the flat round lithium button cells.” — https://www.faa.gov/hazmat/packsafe/resources/media/Airline_...

Re: Lufthansa has not banned AirTags

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Post by [deleted] »

nixcraft wrote: post #138
Jack5500 wrote: post #7

Except they have. A Lufthansa spokesperson has clarified the new rules for the German news site watson: https://www.watson.de/leben/urlaub%20&%20freizeit/879935671-... It rougly translate to: The device itself is not banned, but has to be shut off during flight. In practice this would mean that you would have to remove the battery from the airtag, since there is no powerswitch. But I will admit that this seems odd an…

From Lufthansa Twitter account: "yes this is correct. AirTags are banned in Lufthansa flights." https://twitter.com/lufthansa/status/1578869457140580353

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Re: Lufthansa has not banned AirTags

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Post by idontpost »

layer8 wrote: post #120
m-p-3 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or grant the owner the ability to temporarily stop an AirTag from broadcasting its signal for a specified amount of time. Do it right before your luggage is checked in up until the estimated time of arrival.

The problem is not (only?) the broadcasting. The problem is the lithium battery used in a non-switched-off device.

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Re: Lufthansa has not banned AirTags

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Post by [deleted] »

nixcraft wrote: post #138
Jack5500 wrote: post #7

Except they have. A Lufthansa spokesperson has clarified the new rules for the German news site watson: https://www.watson.de/leben/urlaub%20&%20freizeit/879935671-... It rougly translate to: The device itself is not banned, but has to be shut off during flight. In practice this would mean that you would have to remove the battery from the airtag, since there is no powerswitch. But I will admit that this seems odd an…

From Lufthansa Twitter account: "yes this is correct. AirTags are banned in Lufthansa flights." https://twitter.com/lufthansa/status/1578869457140580353

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Re: Lufthansa has not banned AirTags

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Post by mikeiz404 »

nixcraft wrote: post #138
Jack5500 wrote: post #7

Except they have. A Lufthansa spokesperson has clarified the new rules for the German news site watson: https://www.watson.de/leben/urlaub%20&%20freizeit/879935671-... It rougly translate to: The device itself is not banned, but has to be shut off during flight. In practice this would mean that you would have to remove the battery from the airtag, since there is no powerswitch. But I will admit that this seems odd an…

From Lufthansa Twitter account: "yes this is correct. AirTags are banned in Lufthansa flights." https://twitter.com/lufthansa/status/1578869457140580353

An archived version of the tweet is available here: https://web.archive.org/web/20221009003642/https://twitter.c...

The tweet was deleted on twitter.

Re: Lufthansa has not banned AirTags

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Post by dheera »

JadeNB wrote: post #21
dheera wrote: post #14

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And this is why Airtags shouldn't have speakers.

How are speakers related to the ban, which tsimionescu suggests ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33135627 ) is just related to the Li battery problem?

If you don't have speakers you can still have the airtags and they wouldn't be able to tell if they are on or off.

In their default state, they make annoying sounds every time the bag is moved, so they would be able to tell.

Re: Lufthansa has not banned AirTags

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Post by woodruffw »

chrisbolt wrote: post #166
filmgirlcw wrote: post #126

Delta has had RFID on all baggage tags for nearly a decade, meaning you can track your bag in the app to make sure it got on the plane and even when it has been delivered to baggage claim. It’s something that probably adds pennies to their costs and makes for a much better baggage situation. I love AirTags and agree that it will be impossible for Lufthansa to enforce this on any level, but it’s striking that more air…

Is it really RFID on all bag tags, or just optically scanned bag tag barcodes where you happen to be able to track the last scan location?

I think it's the latter. I've never seen anything resembling an RFID chip, even a flexible one, on a Delta bag tag.
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