Lufthansa bans AirTags in checked luggage • Hacker News Board

Re: Lufthansa bans AirTags in checked luggage

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Post by ghaff » Sat, Oct 08, 2022, 2:28 PM UTC

franga2000 wrote: post #517

ranger_danger wrote: post #497

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> Because taking a call is annoying AF to the 50-100 other people in the shared giant tube. Then why did airplanes used to have built-in phones in every seat?

This hasn't been the case for over 20 years on most planes and the onboard phones were so expensive that only business or 1st class passengers would even consider using then. As usual, their convenience was valued more than everyone else's. I'm sure nowadays if a 1st class passenger got on a call over the in-flight wifi, the staff wouldn't bother them either.

With the ubiquity and generally reasonable pricing of in-flight WiFi, I'm actually a bit surprised that you don't see more people jabbering away. I've never bought WiFi myself and I suspect there are quality issues and I assume some ports may be blocked, but I haven't seen many people obviously on active calls at all.

Re: Lufthansa bans AirTags in checked luggage

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Post by atoav » Sat, Oct 08, 2022, 2:34 PM UTC

someweirdperson wrote: post #530

atoav wrote: post #443

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So electrical engineers could just use a MCU let it power itself of during flight, use passive components (discharging capacitors) to trigger a wakeup after a set time and you are good to go?

> use passive components (discharging capacitors) mechanical egg timer?

Candle clock

Re: Lufthansa bans AirTags in checked luggage

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Post by ugjka » Sat, Oct 08, 2022, 2:50 PM UTC

cromka wrote: post #536

ugjka wrote: post #525

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Air tags don't have lithium batteries

Did you bother to check? AirTags doesn't have any battery by itself, they use replaceable CR2032, which are most commonly lithium. Although alkaline alternatives exist.

My bad :(

Re: Lufthansa bans AirTags in checked luggage

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Post by samdcbu » Sat, Oct 08, 2022, 3:04 PM UTC

tsujamin wrote: post #437

samdcbu wrote: post #389

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TLDR; the aviation industry had a decent technical study done on radio altimeter interference from 5G and the FCC determined it didn’t show radio altimeter interference from 5G was likely. Then an aggregated summary of that technical data was shared with an aviation industry group (whose members include radio altimeter manufacturers), and that group used the aggregated data to claim any 5G use would likely lead to ca…

sounds like I’ve been had by Big Altimeter :’)

I would say right about now is when you'd get your bag for helping to create a market for radio altimeters, but I think they exclusively do kickbacks in Spirit Airlines miles.

Re: Lufthansa bans AirTags in checked luggage

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Post by borski » Sat, Oct 08, 2022, 3:12 PM UTC

Gene_Parmesan wrote: post #526

bmn__ wrote: post #505

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If you have to ask this question, it is a sure sign you are not sufficiently socially calibrated to interact with other people on an air-plane. I advise you to invest time into better understanding your fellow humans by learning about psychology. Yelling would be an overreaction, likely leading to further escalation and diminishing the chance of achieving the goal of stopping the maladaptive behaviour. GP acted corre…

> Firmly direct him to end the call right now. Throughout the conversation keep stern demeanour, keep eye contact and the same level of volume when you speak. I'm not quite sure the other person is the one whose social calibration is off. This would be incredibly patronizing behavior unless you're speaking to a literal child. Besides, "Why don't you?" was obviously a throwaway half-joke.

Thank you. I legitimately debated on whether or not to respond, lol

Re: Lufthansa bans AirTags in checked luggage

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Post by RC_ITR » Sat, Oct 08, 2022, 4:24 PM UTC

samatman wrote: post #566

hulitu wrote: post #512

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Button batteries are a different type. They don't overheat when shorted.

Anything which has energy overheats when shorted. I upvoted you anyway, because by design, button cells have limited potential to cause damage when they short. Yes, they heat up, but they have very little energy to begin with, and a large amount of metal surface area which keeps thermal runaway in check.

Thank you for answering my question 4 layers below where I asked it.

Funny how the “don’t ask a question online, be confidently wrong” principle applies here so perfectly. I love it.

Re: Lufthansa bans AirTags in checked luggage

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Post by yourapostasy » Sat, Oct 08, 2022, 4:48 PM UTC

namibj wrote: post #524

yourapostasy wrote: post #409

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A long time ago in the US, one could purchase additional baggage insurance at the check-in counter. Insuring for $10,000 USD guaranteed face-to-face hand-off-on-signature delivery at every step of the way. There are crappy third-party insurance underwriters for luggage these days, and the airlines stopped offering their own insurance policies because theft is so rampant in their baggage handling processes. In the US,…

The gun is less about anti-disappearance, and more about getting permissions for a proper lock where the key bitting isn't available for ~10 bucks in a ring of ~5 keys.

Good point, thanks for bringing that up.

If I had confidence airport baggage handling procedures could guarantee the handlers couldn’t simply walk off with the luggage, I’d get a rotomolded case and lock it with a couple Assa Abloy shrouded padlocks (they offer key blank management systems for the truly paranoid). But from what I’ve read online, it seems baggage handling theft prevention procedures in many airports are lackadaisical at best. These days, if I absolutely want to arrange high-value goods transfer on an airline instead of a normal freight service, I use the airlines’ air cargo service and insure excess value. You have to sign up in advance and they’ll usually turn you down if they don’t think you’re a commercial customer with a volume worth their trouble.

As freight is usually b2b and their profit margin bread and butter business, it is tracked more carefully. Roughly estimate the insurance at $8 USD per $1000 USD value. Before anyone gets all excited about sending checked luggage this way, the freight rates explain why this is how many airlines can book a profit with air cargo in the revenue mix; roughly estimate it at $4 USD per pound. Most checked luggage maximum weight allowances in the US is 50 pounds, so you can see why practically no one chooses this option.

Re: Lufthansa bans AirTags in checked luggage

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Post by HWR_14 » Sat, Oct 08, 2022, 4:57 PM UTC

crooked-v wrote: post #244

HWR_14 wrote: post #218

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> That’s almost three weeks of not having one to safely transport my child, no support or compensation. Why not just buy a new one and charge the airline for it?

Charge... how?

At least in the US they have to repay you for items purchased to temporarily replace items in delayed luggage- subject to reasonable costs and a total limit.

Re: Lufthansa bans AirTags in checked luggage

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Post by vineyardmike » Sat, Oct 08, 2022, 5:09 PM UTC

ranger_danger wrote: post #497

vineyardmike wrote: post #449

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> services that transmit audio are explicitly banned Because taking a call is annoying AF to the 50-100 other people in the shared giant tube. I’ve been seated next to people who insist im not on a call, this is FaceTime and I’ve always wanted to yell at them for their disrespect.

> Because taking a call is annoying AF to the 50-100 other people in the shared giant tube. Then why did airplanes used to have built-in phones in every seat?

> “Used to”

They don’t anymore for many reasons. They also ask you to stop if you try to take one.

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Post by gigglesupstairs » Sat, Oct 08, 2022, 5:25 PM UTC

bonestamp2 wrote: post #370

crystaln wrote: post #301

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The term airplane mode will persist as an anachronism forever. Some day we will have to explain to our grandchildren why disabling networks has anything to do with airplanes.

My iPad is forever in airplane mode. That way I can turn wifi off without iOS automatically turning it back on 24 hours later.

My only gripe is wifi calling doesn’t work in airplane mode in iPhones otherwise I would perpetually keep them in airplane mode at home.