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Lufthansa bans AirTags in checked luggage

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Re: Lufthansa bans AirTags in checked luggage

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Well, they used to come scream at you if you were reading a Kindle during takeoff, so that part has relaxed at least So far as I know you're supposed to put your phone into airplane mode to turn the cellular radio off, but they don't seem to care if you use bluetooth any more

The reason for that one I've heard from pilot friends is just that they want you upright and alert during takeoff and landing. I've been told to stop reading a book during a landing once. But imagine most of the flight crew don't want to deal with the potential fights from telling someone to put away a non-cellular device.

> want you upright and alert during takeoff

I’m great at sleeping, so I sometimes fall asleep during taxi and before takeoff. That was never an issue.

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So inconvenient for them to do what they were contracted to do: fly you and your luggage from A to B. Can’t they just get free money?

You're thinking of the frequent flyer programs. An airline, via its FF program, is a proprietary central bank that sometimes flies people (and occasionally, even their luggage!) from A to B.

Didn’t really understand that until I read an article about it.

The frequent flyer program is oftentimes worth more than the airline, and it’s a currency with no rules where the airline can do pretty much whatever they want with its value. It’s insane.

Re: Lufthansa bans AirTags in checked luggage

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post #199

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It’s actually illegal for them to do this without refunding you in Europe but a lot of airlines just ignore the law on this it seems.

What in the world are you talking about? It's perfectly legal. In fact, you're technically not even allowed to skip the second leg of your ticket. Lufthansa has sued people for doing this as well: https://pointmetotheplane.boardingarea.com/lufthansa-sues-th... That one is a little more questionable but it is still indeed against the fare rules to intend to not fly all of the segments. There is, however, an exception…

Lufthansa and other airlines have also been sued for this practice and lost. I guess it depends on the case but it seems ridiculous, if I leave my starter at a restaurant they then refuse to deliver dessert and yet charge me for it! Clearly that is bonkers and illegal and the exact same thing. Read the 2015 EU consumer rights act for details…

Re: Lufthansa bans AirTags in checked luggage

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This is going to have the opposite of their intended effect. People are now going to be more interested than ever in AirTags precisely for luggages thanks to them.

Given the top comment I'm not sure this had an intended effect. They were asked a question and quoted the relevant ICAO rules. What were you expecting them to do? Urge their customers to break the law?

Re: Lufthansa bans AirTags in checked luggage

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post #476

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> services that transmit audio are explicitly banned Because taking a call is annoying AF to the 50-100 other people in the shared giant tube. I’ve been seated next to people who insist im not on a call, this is FaceTime and I’ve always wanted to yell at them for their disrespect.

Why don’t you?

If you have to ask this question, it is a sure sign you are not sufficiently socially calibrated to interact with other people on an air-plane. I advise you to invest time into better understanding your fellow humans by learning about psychology.

Yelling would be an overreaction, likely leading to further escalation and diminishing the chance of achieving the goal of stopping the maladaptive behaviour. GP acted correctly to suppress the impulse, I guess in the end he did nothing, which is the next best course of action. Adults are supposed to treat the problem situation in a calm manner and implicitly point out the established social boundaries (this works better if your personality is more masculine than feminine): interrupt the talking person and get his attention, kneel down to the same eye level, state clearly what can be observed what he's doing (having a conversation, perhaps talking loudly), what the effect is (annoying the other passengers), and remind him that calls are not allowed by the relevant authority (flight crew). Firmly direct him to end the call right now. Throughout the conversation keep stern demeanour, keep eye contact and the same level of volume when you speak.

If he complies right away, then mission fucking accomplished, requite by showing approval (nodding, making a slightly more friendly face), or perhaps even something expressing gratitude if that's appropriate in your culture.

The argument "not on a call, this is FaceTime" in an attempt to shift away from the central point of the conversation. Do not let him pull you into his frame. Simply ignore this sentence, keep referring to the call as a call. If he's stubborn, or ignores you, or wants to have a quarrel, then it is okay to metaphorically lose the fight. Walk away and inform the flight crew instead, it's out of your hands now. In the end, it is a certainty that you will win, even if the talking person turns out to be highly neurotic or narcissistic and throws a tantrum.

Pointing out disrespect is not likely to work, the talking person has already shown he does not care. However, shaming is more likely to work, it is a powerful social tool and it is very much appropriate to use here. You could say that all the people around are affected (insert hand gesture here) and they do not approve of what the talking person is doing.

What should not be done is body contact other than touching the shoulder to get attention; trying to take the headphones or mobile device; talking down (literally and figuratively). Do not ask, beg or demand, instead use the appropriate word that comes closest do instructing or directing, use the imperative verb form in your language.

Re: Lufthansa bans AirTags in checked luggage

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post #476

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Why don’t you?

If you have to ask this question, it is a sure sign you are not sufficiently socially calibrated to interact with other people on an air-plane. I advise you to invest time into better understanding your fellow humans by learning about psychology. Yelling would be an overreaction, likely leading to further escalation and diminishing the chance of achieving the goal of stopping the maladaptive behaviour. GP acted corre…

I think that was the highest question to answer text ratio I've seen in a long time: 1 - 192

Re: Lufthansa bans AirTags in checked luggage

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It’s immoral and illegal in Europe but sure quite a few airlines still try this on.

I've never before heard that this is illegal in Europe and haven't found anymore info after some quick searching. Do you have anymore information about this?

They’ve been successfully sued under the consumer rights act 2015 (an EU law).

Re: Lufthansa bans AirTags in checked luggage

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Note that the reason for airport mode is a courtesy to cell-phone carriers. It's not any air safety issue. Rather, 300-500 cell phones all trying to contact the next cell tower, multiple times per minute, would wreak havoc on cell service. https://www.inverse.com/article/51015-cell-phone-use-on-airp... At one point, when both cell phones and laptops were new, there was perhaps a risk to the airplane's electronics. Mo…

I’m a bit skeptical, bullet trains swamp towers too, they just put more towers along the tracks.

For bullet trains, it's worth to invest for train users. For airplane, it isn't.

Re: Lufthansa bans AirTags in checked luggage

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post #416

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It'll be in good company with dialing, film, photograph, watching the tube, etc. Actually photo graph was already out of date, because graph had morphed from "to write" to making any kind of image. Which itself I believe meant something akin to inscription /engraving. Actually while photograph may no longer be a graph as in image on a surface, in some ways it's still an image impressed on rocks. Made using lithograph…

Don't forget floppy disks being enshrined as the Save icon - that has to be one of the shortest lives devices to give rise to such an anachronism.

And the fact that at that point they weren't even floppy anymore. Like 5 or 8 inch were...

Re: Lufthansa bans AirTags in checked luggage

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post #416

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It'll be in good company with dialing, film, photograph, watching the tube, etc. Actually photo graph was already out of date, because graph had morphed from "to write" to making any kind of image. Which itself I believe meant something akin to inscription /engraving. Actually while photograph may no longer be a graph as in image on a surface, in some ways it's still an image impressed on rocks. Made using lithograph…

Don't forget floppy disks being enshrined as the Save icon - that has to be one of the shortest lives devices to give rise to such an anachronism.

I'm seeing various products switch to Cloud-related save icons, e.g. upload arrows, arrows going into a cloud, etc.
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