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Lufthansa bans AirTags in checked luggage

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Re: Lufthansa bans AirTags in checked luggage

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I once forgot to put my cell phone in airplane mode during a flight from London to SFO (and didn't use my phone during the flight). I was rather alarmed to see a flood of text messages from my carrier welcoming me to Iceland, Canada, and the US upon my landing.

That sounds... Improbable. When you were passing over Iceland you must have been far too far above the antennas to receive any sort of signal, unless it landed there on the way across the ocean?

Can't speak for Iceland specifically, but can confirm that if you fly from Seattle or Portland down to SFO, you follow a corridor of fairly strong mobile coverage most all the way, and it's occasionally usable at cruising altitude for a moment here and there. Definitely enough to get text messages.

Re: Lufthansa bans AirTags in checked luggage

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Note that the reason for airport mode is a courtesy to cell-phone carriers. It's not any air safety issue. Rather, 300-500 cell phones all trying to contact the next cell tower, multiple times per minute, would wreak havoc on cell service. https://www.inverse.com/article/51015-cell-phone-use-on-airp... At one point, when both cell phones and laptops were new, there was perhaps a risk to the airplane's electronics. Mo…

Before landing on the last flight I was on, the flight attendants requested that everyone turn off their phones (even if in airplane mode) due to the weather conditions while landing. Does anyone know what purpose that could possibly serve? This was in France if that's a relevant clue.

Probably so that if there was an issue people are paying attention and not screwing around on their phones/listening to music

Re: Lufthansa bans AirTags in checked luggage

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That sounds... Improbable. When you were passing over Iceland you must have been far too far above the antennas to receive any sort of signal, unless it landed there on the way across the ocean?

Definitely possible, 100%. Can confirm getting texts at 25k feet while not in airplane mode. I was on a flight from JFK->SEA and got welcome to Canada texts above Toronto area.

I too have gotten similar sorts of texts on my last trans-Atlantic flight from DIA to Frankfurt.

Re: Lufthansa bans AirTags in checked luggage

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> Note that the reason for airport mode is a courtesy to cell-phone carriers. This doesn’t track. What about trains?

And movie theaters, malls, stadiums. Maybe I’m missing something?

Ideally mobile devices in theaters, malls, and stadiums aren't traveling at hundreds of miles an hour with a vantage such that they're in range of multiple towers simultaneously. It used to be (and maybe still is with 5G) that adjacent cells used different channel pairs. That way a handset at the edge of cell A could talk to both cell A and B to negotiate a handoff. Handoffs can happen pretty quickly.

If cells A and F are on the same channel pair and a handset can see both towers the tower the handset is not talking to just has a higher noise floor. It's like in an apartment if the next unit over is on the same WiFi channel.

You'll note that in older generation cell systems theaters, malls, and stadiums were terrible places for cell signals. Now many have micro/nano cells that cover much smaller areas to deal with congestion. Handsets reduce their output power when the received signal strength is better. So a handset will readily talk to a microcell at a stadium rather than try to talk to a tower further away (with a worse signal).

But for planes, hundreds of passengers hitting dozens of towers simultaneously on the same channel pairs would be rough on switching. Carriers need to know where in the network to route messages to handsets. If a handset is handing off to multiple towers quickly or worse hopping seemingly randomly to towers as a jet flies over it'll be difficult to keep it connected. Multiple that by thousands of people in the air at any given time. Areas near busy airports would have absurdly unreliable connections for people in the air and on the ground.

Re: Lufthansa bans AirTags in checked luggage

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> at least not while airlines are still constantly losing luggage Does that actually happen to people still? I thought it was just a 90s meme. I get a push notification every time they move my bag anywhere. 'Accepted into the system', 'loaded onto the plane', 'unloaded off the plane', 'popped out at the carousel'. Seems pretty bullet proof these days.

American Airlines self-reported a baggage mishandling rate just short of 1% this year. That seems really high to be honest, when you consider that most planes have a minimum of 150 passengers. 2022 was an anomalous year since the airlines ramped up their schedules without having support staff at the airports to handle it. The statistics seem to indicate a tripling of lost luggage rates.

Two "nines." Not acceptable in most products/services.

Re: Lufthansa bans AirTags in checked luggage

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In theory yes, but in practice it could easily cost you more to deal with the airline and it might well be that you don’t have the receipts anymore. With another European airline I recently waited exactly one day less than the three weeks required for them to deliver a child seat. That’s almost three weeks of not having one to safely transport my child, no support or compensation. Since I was returning to my country…

> and it might well be that you don’t have the receipts anymore. That seems pretty unlikely; the receipts now go to your email where you'd have to delete them intentionally.

Receipts for the personal items that the airline lost, not for the airfare. You need to prove how much your damages are in order to make a claim.

Re: Lufthansa bans AirTags in checked luggage

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I once forgot to put my cell phone in airplane mode during a flight from London to SFO (and didn't use my phone during the flight). I was rather alarmed to see a flood of text messages from my carrier welcoming me to Iceland, Canada, and the US upon my landing.

That sounds... Improbable. When you were passing over Iceland you must have been far too far above the antennas to receive any sort of signal, unless it landed there on the way across the ocean?

Being 6 miles up and 8 miles horizontally is only 10 miles from a cellphone tower. As rural cells can easily be more than 20 miles this seems reasonable.

Re: Lufthansa bans AirTags in checked luggage

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For international trips this is close to 10%. My math professor is flying once a month to Europe from the US for the past 20 years. He told me about this statistic he built from his trip history and I thought he was exaggerating. On my 10th trans-Atlantic trip of course I lost my luggage.

So on a typical 747 flight 40 people will have their luggage lost when we get to the reclaim? That seems really improbably high. How come I don't see hundreds of people standing around getting angry at the belt? At Heathrow, it'd mean 20,000+ people a day with lost luggage (if they all checked luggage). You'd need more than the entire taxi fleet of London to get their luggage to their hotels. Really doesn't pass a co…

Bags are lost often enough there’s a charity selling the bags that never get claimed.

https://www.unclaimedbaggage.com/pages/how-it-works

They say a 3 month search, but if you read around you’ll see 5+ days and your bag is basically gone. They say .03% of all checked bags end up lost and then unclaimed. How many must get lost to reach that unclaimed number?

Re: Lufthansa bans AirTags in checked luggage

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> They don’t uniformly enforce… Because it’s a scam. They pick “enforcement” targets by guessing who seems likely to pay. I’ve never been charged when traveling solo. But with family or co-workers they have a shot at the “oh, just pay it, we have a plane to catch” gambit. I know their tricks and always refuse. Then I lay the bag down and start rifling through it like Yoda in Luke’s lunchbox. The long line of passenge…

"this bag is too heavy" OK, I guess I'll...move a few things from there into another bag that is going onto the same flight, possibly the bag of someone I'm traveling with. Now you have reduced the flying weight of the plane by exactly 0 grams and made everyone a few percent more angry / delayed / stressed out. This is a dumb policy.

It's not just about the weight on the plane. It's about the equipment and people who move the bags around. Clearly, people have some upper limit they need to be expected to lift as baggage handlers.
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