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Lufthansa bans AirTags in checked luggage

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Re: Lufthansa bans AirTags in checked luggage

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post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I once forgot to put my cell phone in airplane mode during a flight from London to SFO (and didn't use my phone during the flight). I was rather alarmed to see a flood of text messages from my carrier welcoming me to Iceland, Canada, and the US upon my landing.

That sounds... Improbable. When you were passing over Iceland you must have been far too far above the antennas to receive any sort of signal, unless it landed there on the way across the ocean?

Definitely possible, 100%. Can confirm getting texts at 25k feet while not in airplane mode. I was on a flight from JFK->SEA and got welcome to Canada texts above Toronto area.

Re: Lufthansa bans AirTags in checked luggage

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post #268

Note that the reason for airport mode is a courtesy to cell-phone carriers. It's not any air safety issue. Rather, 300-500 cell phones all trying to contact the next cell tower, multiple times per minute, would wreak havoc on cell service. https://www.inverse.com/article/51015-cell-phone-use-on-airp... At one point, when both cell phones and laptops were new, there was perhaps a risk to the airplane's electronics. Mo…

Before landing on the last flight I was on, the flight attendants requested that everyone turn off their phones (even if in airplane mode) due to the weather conditions while landing. Does anyone know what purpose that could possibly serve? This was in France if that's a relevant clue.

Probably because the pilots were going to be flying an IFR approach. (flying on just instruments through low visibility near the ground, a worst-case scenario for interference being able to cause a fatal crash)

Re: Lufthansa bans AirTags in checked luggage

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post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get that it's inconvenient and could be used nefariously. I'm not sure what kinds of worker protections airline staff have in Europe, but I can see why it might be problematic that I'm tracking the employee as they drive their van full of lost luggage to my hotel. Still, it's my stuff, so I'm going to keep putting AirTags in every bag I travel with. I'm sorry, but.. what are they going to do? Ban me from the airlin…

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Consumer-facing rules need credibility to have effect. Airlines have squandered customer trust for decades.

Re: Lufthansa bans AirTags in checked luggage

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The cat is out of the bag. There is no way that people are going to stop putting AirTags in their luggage, at least not while airlines are still constantly losing luggage and fighting people on reimbursement.

> at least not while airlines are still constantly losing luggage Does that actually happen to people still? I thought it was just a 90s meme. I get a push notification every time they move my bag anywhere. 'Accepted into the system', 'loaded onto the plane', 'unloaded off the plane', 'popped out at the carousel'. Seems pretty bullet proof these days.

It’s happened enough to me flying intl, that I refuse to check now. One time FinAir lost my bags for so long, I was thinking they were gone forever.

Re: Lufthansa bans AirTags in checked luggage

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Knowing German I read through the sources. This article is pretty misleading.

The [primary source](https://www.watson.de/leben/urlaub%20&%20freizeit/879935671-...) is a slightly clickbait article asking the questions: "Are AirTags allowed in checked luggage?".

They reached out to Lufthanse asking them. They responded: "Luggage trackers are electronic devices so they have to be turned off when the luggage is checked".

It is unclear wether they really understood how AirTags work and that they are not active trackers.

There are a bunch of other magazine echoing this response but I have yet to find an official statement by Lufthansa explicitly banning AirTags.

Re: Lufthansa bans AirTags in checked luggage

#277

The cat is out of the bag. There is no way that people are going to stop putting AirTags in their luggage, at least not while airlines are still constantly losing luggage and fighting people on reimbursement.

> at least not while airlines are still constantly losing luggage Does that actually happen to people still? I thought it was just a 90s meme. I get a push notification every time they move my bag anywhere. 'Accepted into the system', 'loaded onto the plane', 'unloaded off the plane', 'popped out at the carousel'. Seems pretty bullet proof these days.

It happens and just like the meme they drive it hours to you once found, even across states. Just happened my sister and brother in law who had trained to another state by the time theirs was found.

Re: Lufthansa bans AirTags in checked luggage

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post #268

Note that the reason for airport mode is a courtesy to cell-phone carriers. It's not any air safety issue. Rather, 300-500 cell phones all trying to contact the next cell tower, multiple times per minute, would wreak havoc on cell service. https://www.inverse.com/article/51015-cell-phone-use-on-airp... At one point, when both cell phones and laptops were new, there was perhaps a risk to the airplane's electronics. Mo…

Before landing on the last flight I was on, the flight attendants requested that everyone turn off their phones (even if in airplane mode) due to the weather conditions while landing. Does anyone know what purpose that could possibly serve? This was in France if that's a relevant clue.

The France clue actually contradicts my guess, because I'm guessing that was an Airbus? Anyways, he's one theory:

Boeing has an issue where its radio altimeters are affected by C-band 5G transmissions. I believe maybe the pilots were relying more on the precision of the altimeter because their vision was impaired due to the bad weather? The whole 'turn off phones' instruction could be because people would follow the unusual request to turn off their phones instead of just telling them to put it in airplane mode (which is so common that some people just don't bother)

Re: Lufthansa bans AirTags in checked luggage

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post #268

Note that the reason for airport mode is a courtesy to cell-phone carriers. It's not any air safety issue. Rather, 300-500 cell phones all trying to contact the next cell tower, multiple times per minute, would wreak havoc on cell service. https://www.inverse.com/article/51015-cell-phone-use-on-airp... At one point, when both cell phones and laptops were new, there was perhaps a risk to the airplane's electronics. Mo…

Before landing on the last flight I was on, the flight attendants requested that everyone turn off their phones (even if in airplane mode) due to the weather conditions while landing. Does anyone know what purpose that could possibly serve? This was in France if that's a relevant clue.

I’d interpret this as a “pay attention and be ready” rather than something from the phone itself.

Re: Lufthansa bans AirTags in checked luggage

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post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In theory yes, but in practice it could easily cost you more to deal with the airline and it might well be that you don’t have the receipts anymore. With another European airline I recently waited exactly one day less than the three weeks required for them to deliver a child seat. That’s almost three weeks of not having one to safely transport my child, no support or compensation. Since I was returning to my country…

> and it might well be that you don’t have the receipts anymore. That seems pretty unlikely; the receipts now go to your email where you'd have to delete them intentionally.

Cash? Clothes? I don’t keep receipts for every pair of jeans I own.
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