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The non-linear workdays changing the shape of productivity

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Re: The non-linear workdays changing the shape of productivity

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Honestly I’ve been longing for a linear workday. Before kids, and before the pandemic, I used to work 9-6 and I had the most fantastic work life balance. Distance running, rock climbing, etc. Now I have “flexible” work hours, and it’s all cramming in whatever I can late at night so that I can accommodate the schedule of kids’ daycare. If we didn’t have flex hours, one of my wife or I would have no choice but to quit…

Haven't met anybody who likes split shifts

Re: The non-linear workdays changing the shape of productivity

#63

Honestly I’ve been longing for a linear workday. Before kids, and before the pandemic, I used to work 9-6 and I had the most fantastic work life balance. Distance running, rock climbing, etc. Now I have “flexible” work hours, and it’s all cramming in whatever I can late at night so that I can accommodate the schedule of kids’ daycare. If we didn’t have flex hours, one of my wife or I would have no choice but to quit…

Haven't met anybody who likes split shifts

I like them when I don't have to leave home

Re: The non-linear workdays changing the shape of productivity

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in tech, we don't really have 40hr/wk. It's more like 80hr/wk. And work on weekends. If you have a position that requires 40hrs/wk or less and no work on weekends whatsoever, consider yourself lucky. I hear stories about colleagues being overworked on continuous basis.

> And work on weekends I read that Tim Cook has a weekly Sunday evening meeting with his staff; this seems reasonable, since that time might otherwise be wasted on family, friends, or home responsibilities - rather than taking care of critically important Apple business that can't wait until Monday morning.

Sunday evening in California is Monday morning in Asia - if you wait until Monday morning in CA to start things off you burn a whole day.

Now, I doubt Tim is happy with people leaving early on Friday afternoon either - but given Apple’s business and the importance of the Asian supply chain, a Sunday evening meeting is justified.

Also anyone reporting directly to Tim Cook is being paid tens of millions per year for their trouble…

Re: The non-linear workdays changing the shape of productivity

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Honestly I’ve been longing for a linear workday. Before kids, and before the pandemic, I used to work 9-6 and I had the most fantastic work life balance. Distance running, rock climbing, etc. Now I have “flexible” work hours, and it’s all cramming in whatever I can late at night so that I can accommodate the schedule of kids’ daycare. If we didn’t have flex hours, one of my wife or I would have no choice but to quit…

The other option is daycare. Which is a good reasoning for establishing universal access to daycare

Re: The non-linear workdays changing the shape of productivity

#66

small but important correction... > However, when society industrialised, a rigid, five-day, 40-hour workweek arose in factory settings ummm... no. More like the 6 day 16 hour per day work-week arose in factory settings. The five-day, 40-hour workweek was fought and died for by the labor movement.

in tech, we don't really have 40hr/wk. It's more like 80hr/wk. And work on weekends. If you have a position that requires 40hrs/wk or less and no work on weekends whatsoever, consider yourself lucky. I hear stories about colleagues being overworked on continuous basis.

What the hell kind of sweatshop are you working in? Never seen anything remotely like this.

Re: The non-linear workdays changing the shape of productivity

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When has providing for a family of eight been the norm in america? I assume you're thinking something like two kids plus all four grandparents living under one roof? That's never been the norm.

Most of the 1600s and 1700s for New England. Quebec for longer, possibly the end of unit 1800s. That’s average number of children per woman, not an extended family. 1800s Ireland, which was probably poorer than the US has been since 1600 had similar fertility.

I still wouldn't say that is the norm, since the infant mortality rate was ~40%. And, if you're producing a baby every 2 years, by the time you're on your 8th baby, your first-borns, should they have lived, would be nearly able-bodied adults with the ability to also work a bit to help support the household or going out and getting married.

Re: The non-linear workdays changing the shape of productivity

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> If you have a position that requires 40hrs/wk or less and no work on weekends whatsoever, consider yourself lucky. That's backwards. If you have a position that requires over 40hrs/wk, or any weekend work without overtime pay, consider yourself exploited (and if you're doing it without it being required, consider yourself a scab). Join a union, quit that job, or both.

If you have sufficient equity upside, it’s not unreasonable to put in “extra” time to grow the company.

It's definitely not unreasonable, but nor is /not/ growing the business in order to control one's own working hours.

Re: The non-linear workdays changing the shape of productivity

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I think you've misinterpreted GP. Tech salaries started high, and that is mostly a scarcity problem. The market will correct that in due time without labor organizing because the profits go to the owners, not the workers. The owners are the ones who decide what happens with the profit (reinvestment, their employees' wages, their own wages, etc.).

Yes, with a powerful union you can restrict entry so there are fewer workers. The workers who are allowed in get a better deal. The people who are kept out by the union suffer and the consumers suffer through lower production and higher prices.

No need for that. The golden c64 generation will start with early retirements in a few years. Younger generations have less interest in IT (on average) and will yield fewer and fewer tech workers.

Re: The non-linear workdays changing the shape of productivity

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Yes, with a powerful union you can restrict entry so there are fewer workers. The workers who are allowed in get a better deal. The people who are kept out by the union suffer and the consumers suffer through lower production and higher prices.

No need for that. The golden c64 generation will start with early retirements in a few years. Younger generations have less interest in IT (on average) and will yield fewer and fewer tech workers.

What I describe is the mechanism by which unions increase wages for their members. It would be good if you could explain what you were trying to say and its relevance.
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