Male variability hypothesis confirmed once again.
Fantastic observation, I hadn't noticed it until now. Thank you.
SAT score distributions in Michigan
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Re: SAT score distributions in Michigan
#422Earlier quoted context omitted.
None of my friends scored below 1400 and none had tutors. All public school.
1400 is 93rd percentile. The odds of, say, 7 random kids scoring above the 93rd percentile is pretty small. I bet you drew your friends from AP/honors classes, or from some nerdy/academic pursuit.
The data is stratified heavily by race and school district. Limit to and the odds are probably much, much higher.
Highschool students are not randomly distributed to schools across America. There are schools that look like war zones, and places where kids actually learn. Moving the kids to different schools isn’t a solution because it’s the kids that are the problem.
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#423Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The parental contribution is only 0.4% of the LAUSD budget > but somehow it's making up a 20% funding gap between low and high income schools. Where are you getting the 0.4% coming from? Parents don't generally donate directly to public school district budgets. They donate to school PTAs and school-affiliated non-profits. Perhaps you are referring to https://achieve.lausd.net/donorschoose but that's totally unrelat…
>Where are you getting the 0.4% coming from? Parents don't generally donate directly to public school district budgets. They donate to school PTAs and school-affiliated non-profits. It's in the article: >In 2018-19, PTAs and booster clubs at LAUSD schools brought in more than $36.9 million in revenues. Compared to LAUSD’s annual $9 billion operating budget, that’s not that much money 36.9 million divided by 9 billion…
> >In 2018-19, PTAs and booster clubs at LAUSD schools brought in more than $36.9 million in revenues. Compared to LAUSD’s annual $9 billion operating budget, that’s not that much money
> 36.9 million divided by 9 billion is 0.4%.
Read the article again. That's $36.9M raises mostly over the 126 most affluent schools, which is a quarter of the elementary schools in LAUSD, or over $500k raised per school, which would bridge that gap.
Furthermore a significant chunk of school district budgets go to pay for pension and health care obligations for retirees, building maintenance, law enforcement, etc.
> Ok, but even if you and every other parent does that it still doesn't make up the difference between city spending per pupil and the surrounding suburbs.
Not sure I understand what you are saying, but the affluent surrounding suburbs near me spend even more per student from privately raised donations. Some of their PTAs ask for $2k/student per year.
Re: SAT score distributions in Michigan
#424The SATs, particularly the mathematics score, is very much a reflection of your parents' willingness to push you academically. The stratification is more granular than Asian versus Black or White versus Native America. For example, Jewish students excel beyond the Caucasian average while Cambodian and other Southeast Asian Immigrants perform significantly below the national average for Asian Americans. The challenge…
> score, is very much a reflection of your parents' willingness to push you academically. Test prep has diminishing marginal returns. On the flip side that means just 1 hour of prep makes a big impact. This is what research has found and why a lot of focus is on getting kids to do any studying for anything at all. Many kids do zero homework and zero studying. Getting them to 1 is the hardest part. This is the biggest…
5-10 hours of test prep may add a couple hundred points to someone’s score, but probably won’t take someone from ann 850 to 1200.
Looking at the math section, you might get a 600 if you don’t study but could know all the material but don’t know how to take the test.
But to get a 600 requires you to know a certain amount of material and know how to take the test. Most kids at my HS couldn’t get a 600 math even with 40 hours of math prep.
Re: SAT score distributions in Michigan
#425Earlier quoted context omitted.
So you are saying that Asians have higher intelligence, and not just a little bit higher, but significantly higher than other race?
The Asians present in North America are not a random sample. A large portion of them came here specifically to work in STEM or other fields requiring high levels of intelligence and education. It's very probable that the ones here are, on average, significantly more intelligent than both the average American and the average Asian in Asia.
For that matter, the Asians you see in studies of the average test scores in somewhere like “China” aren’t representative of the educational ability of the average rice paddy farmer, but of more urbanized populations.
I feel this must at least be a factor.
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#426Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's hardly simple to prep for the SAT. It requires time and money and space.
Time, yes. For space you just need a desk. And if you have an internet connection, it doesn't require any money beyond what you've already paid your ISP.
K, not every kid has access to a desk and the internet. Those things take money not every family has.
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#427Earlier quoted context omitted.
Practicing won't teach you language and math.
practicing means practicing problems and learning ones you don’t understand. with the abundance of youtube videos/free sources on the internet, today there is no excuse except for a parent not teaching a kid what to prioritize in life imo.
I was homeless my senior year of highschool and I didn't have many adults helping me. There's a fair amount of kids on paths like mine.
It's cold comfort to be told my parents fucked up. That's true, but it doesn't actually help.
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#428Earlier quoted context omitted.
We don't provide access to everyone. If you are a kid who doesn't get fed at home, and you don't get a school meal until lunch, do you have the same access? If your school can't afford state of the art computers or technology, do you have the same access? If your school has class sizes of 35 and mine has class sizes of 18, do we both have the same access?
The financial solution chosen to drive equality is likely to be "you must fire half of your teachers, resulting in class sizes of 36 for you, which we think is close enough to 35". Does that actually help anyone?
Or "we tax wealthy people more", which sounds fine to me. (As a wealthy person.)
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#429Earlier quoted context omitted.
It reasonably could be, if you are trying to undo systemic disadvantages that different groups have. You have to make a conscious choice to accept some adjustments higher if the foundation is systematically unfair. It might feel unfair to the folks who benefit from systematic advantages early.
You're arguing that past discrimination justifies present discrimination, and that past discrimination is in fact solely or majorly responsible for present disparities in outcomes. I can't see a world in which these positions are provable in a meaningful manner and not devolve society into a bitter, recriminatory cesspit, especially when it means that some people will in fact be hurt by present discrimination.
Redlining is provable and had a clear outcome on income. It ended only very recently.
And yeah, fixing that is going to cost some folks. Good news, we could figure out who benefitted or even just tax the very wealthy to get it fixed.
Re: SAT score distributions in Michigan
#430Earlier quoted context omitted.
So there is a correlation. What does this explain, and how?
I believe this correlation between wealth and SAT scores explains the distribution of SAT scores by ethnicity.
Breakdowns of SAT scores by race and parental income exist. Why don’t you check them out?