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Re: All Twitter users in the US will start to see crowdsourced fact checks on tweets

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Post by protomyth »

Eddy_Viscosity2 wrote: post #80
protomyth wrote: post #31

I've learned the mob, no matter their political beliefs, doesn't know a damn thing as a group. If there is a technical answer, it used to be possible to get a correct answer, but that is almost always through the view of some political leaning. Frankly, given the utter sh?t-show of YouTube content warnings[0], I have no faith in this crud. This just seems like a bots paradise to influence opinion and ban people. 0) t…

If the mob is so dumb, why do we let them elect our government?

The mob doesn't elect our government. Individuals go into a booth and pull the lever. In a fair election, their is no interaction between people when the vote is cast. Sure, there are campaigns and such, but the voting moment is one person at a time inside their head. Mobs become a thing unto themselves and group into a dangerous thing. Their are numerous studies about how people act differently as part of a mob.

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Post by Alupis »

phailhaus wrote: post #73
Alupis wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We know he has top secret documents We do. > we know they were not declassified We do not know this, actually. That is literally what is being litigated at this very moment. > and we know they were held negligently while mixed up with magazines in a comically insecure facility We do not know yet if this even matters... > a search warrant executed against a former president Which is extremely shocking and unusual -…

> We do not know this, actually. We do. Documents are not declassified by merely "thinking about it" like Trump suggested. There is a process, and declassified documents are still classified until they are marked as such. We've seen the pictures, we know they weren't. So yes, it also matters that they were removed from their folders and mixed up haphazardly with no regard to their security. These are all undeniable f…

When the dust settles, and Trump still is not in hand cuffs, what will you say then? Start yet another investigation because this time "we've got him!"?

We've heard now for 6 years that there's a clear "smoking gun" and we're just days away from indictment. One investigation ends empty-handed, and another just pops up because "reasons". Good thing we're not holding our breath...

This classified documents thing is 100% unresolved at the moment. That is a very objective fact, despite what you want to believe.

> Let's use your own attitude against you: where's the official investigation?

That was the original point. Trap set, and sprung. That story was squashed to shape an election - extremely effectively. If that is not election meddling, I do not know what is.

> Do we even know if that's his laptop?

They do not even deny it anymore. Plenty of videos of Hunter engaging in illegal activities (which by itself does not implicate the President), plenty of emails, plenty of payments from Chinese organizations and corrupt Ukrainian officials, and even former business partners confirming the validity of the rumors and who the "Big Guy" is.

We have none of this from the Trump family, only rumors started by the Clinton campaign that so far, despite unlimited resources, time and efforts plowed into relentless investigation after investigation, have come up dry.

But... none of these facts matter apparently, because Trump isn't on your team. That was the point the GP post made.

Re: All Twitter users in the US will start to see crowdsourced fact checks on tweets

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Post by bhupy »

onionisafruit wrote: post #54

Who would agree to be an unpaid volunteer to moderate tweets? If you aren't getting paid then you have some other motivation to do the work. I suspect a lot of people who end up in this program will be motivated to promote an agenda.

I think you answered your own question. Who would agree to be an unpaid volunteer to moderate tweets? Ideologues who wish to further their agenda.

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Post by Eddy_Viscosity2 »

protomyth wrote: post #81
Eddy_Viscosity2 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the mob is so dumb, why do we let them elect our government?

The mob doesn't elect our government. Individuals go into a booth and pull the lever. In a fair election, their is no interaction between people when the vote is cast. Sure, there are campaigns and such, but the voting moment is one person at a time inside their head. Mobs become a thing unto themselves and group into a dangerous thing. Their are numerous studies about how people act differently as part of a mob.

Ok yes this is the true meaning of mob referring to in-person groups. But 'mob' in this discussion was being used with respect to groups of people in a more general sense like people on the internet whom all act individually from their own houses.

Re: All Twitter users in the US will start to see crowdsourced fact checks on tweets

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Post by anon291 »

phailhaus wrote: post #72
anon291 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> chose to do nothing since it helped him, and obstructed justice [2] So then it's totally equivalent to the Hunter Biden laptop in that, while perhaps incriminating, there's no obvious criminal conduct (Mueller didn't press charges). However, it still led to americans voting one way, which the polls show would have also been the case had Americans known about the laptop. Either way, people deserve to know. Our vote…

> Mueller didn't press charges Fun fact: Mueller had no ability to press charges. He made it clear that it was up to Congress, and would only go as far as to say that "we can't say he didn't obstruct justice", but that it was up to Congress to investigate.

Simple question: by explicitly deciding to censor the hunter biden story, did twitter and facebook prevent americans from learning data that may have changed their vote? The Mueller investigation and its results were widely reported on and disseminated by all media, so it's not equivalent at all. Americans can and did make up their mind regarding that issue.

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Post by lalopalota »

cortesoft wrote: post #50
mattw2121 wrote: post #14

I was recently invited to be a lead on Nextdoor (I know, I know) and accepted so that I could peek behind the curtain. Their process is that any flagged content is voted on by leads to Leave it, Possibly Remove, or Remove. What I've observed is that posts that completely break the rules still have a 50/50 split. My point being that many people are not able to objectively look at something and make a decision. Their o…

> My point being that many people are not able to objectively look at something and make a decision. Their opinions and feelings will always get mixed in. Isn't the idea that individuals will have biases, but on average they will cancel each other out when aggregated together? I don't think that is necessarily true, but I think it is overly simplistic to say that individuals having biases means the consensus of the c…

> Isn't the idea that individuals will have biases, but on average they will cancel each other out when aggregated together?

That doesn't work out online when an individual can have 1, 10, 50+ votes depending on how much they care about a topic (or the voting in general).

Re: All Twitter users in the US will start to see crowdsourced fact checks on tweets

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Post by krapp »

anon291 wrote: post #85
phailhaus wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Mueller didn't press charges Fun fact: Mueller had no ability to press charges. He made it clear that it was up to Congress, and would only go as far as to say that "we can't say he didn't obstruct justice", but that it was up to Congress to investigate.

Simple question: by explicitly deciding to censor the hunter biden story, did twitter and facebook prevent americans from learning data that may have changed their vote? The Mueller investigation and its results were widely reported on and disseminated by all media, so it's not equivalent at all. Americans can and did make up their mind regarding that issue.

Simple answer: probably not.

Everything Trumpists were claiming - that the laptop contained evidence of the stolen election, that it contained Biden's child porn stash, evidence he created COVID with Fauci, whatever - was obvious misinformation and character assassination, an attempt to repeat the effect of the DNC leaks with Hillary Clinton in 2016, where just the implications of nefarious dealings and "smoking guns" were enough to suppress Democratic Party turnout, or split the vote.

The actual story, such as it was, was and remains the nothingest of nothingburgers, and it's doubtful many people, much less enough people to swing the election in Trump's favor, would have cared. Evidence to this effect can be observed in that, after the fact, it hasn't created a backlash of outrage among Democrats. They do hate Biden for a number of reasons, but not for anything in hindsight related to the laptop.

Plus, it's absurd to imply that Twitter and Facebook alone comprised the only sources of information or discussion about the laptop, and that Americans were unaware of the story for it having been censored on those platforms. Despite that, it never actually left public discussion as far as I was aware. The laptop failed to gain traction under its own terms, not because it was suppressed by the government.

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Post by Turing_Machine »

ynbl_ wrote: post #63
Turing_Machine wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the computing nightmares the right tried to implement in the 90s like clipper chip will roll in By "the right" you mean "the Clinton administration"?

meh you get the point

I get the point that you made a provably false claim.

The Clinton administration was behind the Clipper chip, while many on the right (including uber-right figure John Ashcroft) were opposed to it.

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Post by Mountain_Skies »

Eddy_Viscosity2 wrote: post #80
protomyth wrote: post #31

I've learned the mob, no matter their political beliefs, doesn't know a damn thing as a group. If there is a technical answer, it used to be possible to get a correct answer, but that is almost always through the view of some political leaning. Frankly, given the utter sh?t-show of YouTube content warnings[0], I have no faith in this crud. This just seems like a bots paradise to influence opinion and ban people. 0) t…

If the mob is so dumb, why do we let them elect our government?

The purpose of voting is to deflect responsibility for failures of governance to the governed. After all, they're the ones who put those people in charge, so they're responsible. It's also to take away much of the historic reasoning for revolutions. Who is being overthrown when it is the people who elect the government? The fun trick with representative democracy has been the weaponization of psychology to control the possible outcomes of the public electing their leaders.

Re: All Twitter users in the US will start to see crowdsourced fact checks on tweets

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Post by pharrington »

seibelj wrote: post #68
noahtallen wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some of the conspiracies didn’t conclude the way you say they do, or at least not completely. As far as I can tell, the current “consensus” is that the Hunter Biden laptop, while real, can’t prove any unethical behavior on the part of the president. And the Russian stuff — while Muller couldn’t prove that Trump asked Russia for help (beyond the video of him asking for it in camera, perhaps as a joke), it is still tru…

I think if it was Donald Jr's laptop rather than Hunter Biden's the mainstream media would be going bananas over it.

Don Jr was a key member of Trump's presidential campaign.
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