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SimulaVR Has Been Subpoenaed by Meta Platforms, Inc

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Re: SimulaVR Has Been Subpoenaed by Meta Platforms, Inc

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Post by trafficante »

throbintrash wrote: post #244
meesterdude wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> so it's a disengineous point to bring up. In the public eye, Meta is particularly unethical. It's a large part of their current downfall. So I don't agree with you that it is a disingenuous point.

facebook tried to provide equal and fair (market driven) access to political influence through their ad-platform; and they will be punished for doing so (see the Cambridge Analytica scandal, and subsequent relentless waves of bad PR against them). political influence is not open, nor fair, nor market driven. is power driven; and the power is trying to re-assert this harsh truth. and when I say "the power" I refer to…

This is the weirdest comment.

Genuine insight sandwiched between a “Cambridge Analytica was FB being virtuous” opener and an oddly paranoid closer.

Re: SimulaVR Has Been Subpoenaed by Meta Platforms, Inc

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Post by unknownaccount »

ivraatiems wrote: post #282
unknownaccount wrote: post #144

This is exactly the type of thing that made me lose All faith in the US Justice System and consider defecting.

What, why? This is normal legal process. I hate Meta plenty, check my comment history, but this isn't an unusual or corrupt thing.

Being forced to divulge your trade secrets to a competitor company’s legal team + cover the cost of travel to court in a far away state + denial of income- under circumstances in which you’ve done nothing wrong -might be “normal legal process” but it’s highly unethical in my opinion. Just one of many ways in which a small business in USA can get wreaked by the legal system over the most frivolous of things.

Re: SimulaVR Has Been Subpoenaed by Meta Platforms, Inc

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Post by bradyd »

SCLeo wrote: post #326
cableshaft wrote: post #40

>We're don't view ourselves in competition with Meta >...Meta sells reasonably good gaming headsets to customers who want to be entertained in VR; we're selling general-purpose productivity devices which are aimed at replacing PCs and laptops. Hate to break it to you, but if you don't think that Mark Zuckerberg is actively trying to create VR devices that are general-purpose productivity devices aimed at replacing PC…

If I am not wrong, this is an antitrust suit, meaning it is about what they are selling, not what they are developing. If the product has been launched, there literally cannot be a monopoly.

They are both selling VR headsets. Claiming they are not competitors is like trying to claim electric cars are not in competition with gas powered cars because they are different technology.

Re: SimulaVR Has Been Subpoenaed by Meta Platforms, Inc

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Post by antiterra »

tomxor wrote: post #298
georgewsinger wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We understand Meta sometimes future projects that their devices will have broad office applications, but we're skeptical it has any teeth. Consider that Atari tried to compete with office PCs in the early 80s with their 8-bit family, and failed: https://images.fastcompany.net/image/upload/w_596,c_limit,q_... It's hard to focus on multiple things at once, and we're skeptical that the bureaucratic forces in play at a l…

> Consider that Atari tried to compete with office PCs in the early 80s with their 8-bit family, and failed I don't think that's very accurate. The Atari ST had a pretty good following compared to personal computers of the time much like the Amiga... The fact is that most computer companies from back then did not survive far beyond the decade but they had their time. So it's not really accurate to say they failed whe…

I don’t think he meant the computers as a whole were unsuccessful, but the bid to enter the business sector was. The common consensus is they failed because Atari was so strongly associated with games. I assume there are possibly greater reasons, but it is true Tramiel and others tried the pivot and it failed.

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Post by Bloedcoin »

arrosenberg wrote: post #273
Bloedcoin wrote: post #258

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Because android itself is free but I'm not seeing a lot of companies or you taking the time and effort to make an ad free Android phone for the same price or cheaper.

A competitor can’t enter the market to compete on price because Google subsidizes their product with ads. Thats the very picture of predatory, anticompetitive behavior. You can’t know what the market would be if Android were forced to compete fairly.

Microsoft did not leave the market because of googles ad revenue.

Apple is playing the game without ads as well.

Nokia could have forked android.

Google just continue to care enough.

The other companies could replicate it. The just don't mind

Re: SimulaVR Has Been Subpoenaed by Meta Platforms, Inc

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Post by [deleted] »

unknownaccount wrote: post #219
colejohnson66 wrote: post #192

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> You try to downplay the severity by saying "only Meta lawyers can see the contents" but that is still wrong. Whos to say these lawyers wont steal your trade secrets and use them to their own advantage? They are ethically and legally bound not to. They can be disbarred, sanctioned, sued by SimulaVR, even thrown in prison. You're here ranting about the US court system, but you're wrong about a lot of it.

Just because they “could be disbarred” or go to prison does for it also doesn’t mean they physically can’t or won’t do it. So I’m actually not wrong about anything I said here.

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Re: SimulaVR Has Been Subpoenaed by Meta Platforms, Inc

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Post by armchairhacker »

benreesman wrote: post #133

Maybe I've just been on a too-long coding stretch, but speaking for myself, it's just really unsavory to read so much "red/blue"-style sloganism around the big tech companies. Obviously I'm biased because I worked for one, and so I saw up close the process that produces the decisions that seem to routinely generate comment threads with people comparing Google/FB/MSFT/etc. to e.g. "Satan". It's just not that simple fo…

unfortunately it looks like many internet threads lose their nuance and devolve into black and white, and HN is no exception

Re: SimulaVR Has Been Subpoenaed by Meta Platforms, Inc

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Post by towaway15463 »

ehnto wrote: post #156
JKCalhoun wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm still skeptical that it is The Next Big Thing. I wonder if Zuckerberg suspects it might not be as well but, hey, Hail Mary!

It's a very different experience to how we currently consume media, and I am not really sure it has mass appeal even with some kind of perfect execution. I am prepared to be totally wrong mind you. It's an incredible tool and way to engage with virtual worlds, but the question we should be asking isn't "Is VR technology good enough" which I think people get stuck on. Really the question is "Does everyone want to be i…

Personally, I think that both TV and movies are going to be driving VR adoption. The Netflix of VR movies could be huge if they were able to offer the right content. A fully virtual theatre that gets new releases could also be big. The edge that VR had in these areas is that it essentially gives you a private theatre that you can enjoy with your friends and family. Leveraging a social network so that you can deliver notifications like “X is currently watching Y. Click to join” would be big. People already kind of do this with watch parties and discord.

Re: SimulaVR Has Been Subpoenaed by Meta Platforms, Inc

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Post by throbintrash »

trafficante wrote: post #331
throbintrash wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

facebook tried to provide equal and fair (market driven) access to political influence through their ad-platform; and they will be punished for doing so (see the Cambridge Analytica scandal, and subsequent relentless waves of bad PR against them). political influence is not open, nor fair, nor market driven. is power driven; and the power is trying to re-assert this harsh truth. and when I say "the power" I refer to…

This is the weirdest comment. Genuine insight sandwiched between a “Cambridge Analytica was FB being virtuous” opener and an oddly paranoid closer.

thank you, I try my best.

the "FB as virtues" is an insight I glimpsed through Stratechery's analysis of Facebook's woes [1].

> All news sources are competing on an equal footing; those controlled or bought by a party are not inherently privileged.

> The likelihood any particular message will “break out” is based not on who is propagating said message but on how many users are receptive to hearing it. The power has shifted from the supply side to the demand side.

> on Facebook both small companies and large companies have an equal shot at customers, and both Party insiders and complete outsiders have an equal shot at voters.

so then, apparently democracy is good, justice is good, but everything is better in moderation, including these 'good' things.

the algorithmically driven market made all participants far more equal than they wanted to be; so they decided to destroy it.

[1] https://stratechery.com/2021/facebook-political-problems/

~I'll see myself back into the psychiatric ward.~

Re: SimulaVR Has Been Subpoenaed by Meta Platforms, Inc

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Post by towaway15463 »

bamboozled wrote: post #95
JKCalhoun wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm still skeptical that it is The Next Big Thing. I wonder if Zuckerberg suspects it might not be as well but, hey, Hail Mary!

Even if it’s the next big thing you know a better iHeadset will follow months later and be a much better product with less privacy and data theft built in.

Except it will have no games, cost $4k and will probably be difficult to port anything to. Great for Apple’s current mbpro market but ignored by everyone else.
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