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All Twitter users in the US will start to see crowdsourced fact checks on tweets

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Re: All Twitter users in the US will start to see crowdsourced fact checks on tweets

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Post by protomyth »

I've learned the mob, no matter their political beliefs, doesn't know a damn thing as a group. If there is a technical answer, it used to be possible to get a correct answer, but that is almost always through the view of some political leaning. Frankly, given the utter sh?t-show of YouTube content warnings[0], I have no faith in this crud. This just seems like a bots paradise to influence opinion and ban people.

0) the number of videos that have no mention of COVID that have COVID warnings is just staggering. Along with the Moon Conspiracy warning on a video of the X-15 is just brain dead.

Re: All Twitter users in the US will start to see crowdsourced fact checks on tweets

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Post by Alupis »

noahtallen wrote: post #19
seibelj wrote: post #4

How will this work when reality is partisan? The Hunter Biden laptop story was a debunked conspiracy by the “experts” until it wasn’t, and the recent Chinese election data stolen “conspiracy” (as declared by the NYT) turned out to be true. Yet day after day the stories about Trump and Russia were blasted by major media… until that was totally debunked. It’s like one side decides what is true and the other side is con…

Some of the conspiracies didn’t conclude the way you say they do, or at least not completely. As far as I can tell, the current “consensus” is that the Hunter Biden laptop, while real, can’t prove any unethical behavior on the part of the president. And the Russian stuff — while Muller couldn’t prove that Trump asked Russia for help (beyond the video of him asking for it in camera, perhaps as a joke), it is still tru…

I think your post only highlights the points the parent was making - we pick and choose what "facts" we want to believe and then never change our opinion.

When these "facts" are debunked days, weeks, months or years later, we just move on and pretend it didn't happen or talk out of the side of our mouth about how there's still some sliver truth there. If it doesn't help our team, then it can't possibly be true.

Objectively, Hunter's laptop is a scandal of epic proportions. It's very difficult to view it's content and revelations as anything but deeply unethical - and it's impossible to believe "The Big Guy" is not in fact Joe Biden, our President. We even had one of Hunter's former business partners come out and explicitly state it - yet nobody wants to talk about that either. Additionally, it's impossible to not conclude the FBI was deeply involved in a cover up right at election time to suppress this information.

However, here we are, trying to say it means nothing. We accused the Trump family of everything the Biden family is objectively involved with... except we had zero evidence against the Trump family (despite years of relentless investigations) and have mountains of it against the Biden family... yet nobody cares. Years of investigations catalyzed by a fake dossier paid for by the Clinton campaign... yet nobody wants to talk about that either.

Perhaps we're too far lost at this point...

Re: All Twitter users in the US will start to see crowdsourced fact checks on tweets

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Post by bl_valance »

It really ruins the magic of some (obvious)joke posts when you see a damn fact check box. This "feature" I see it in the same way as warning labels - "Caution: Hot" - treats people as if they can't practice critical thinking and common sense.

Re: All Twitter users in the US will start to see crowdsourced fact checks on tweets

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Post by buscoquadnary »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #15

Hmm. This sounds like there could be a positive feedback loop buried in here somewhere. Something like: 1. Status quo position is X. 2. New information comes in that says Y. 3. People tweet Y. 4. Crowd sourced "fact check" says that Y is false. 5. Twitter consensus becomes even more certain that X is true.

In my experience it ends up just being more divise, the more an institution that one group of people do not trust doubles down on a story the more likely they are to become convinced of the opposite position, whereas those that thought it was true become more convinced.

To quote Dr. Robert Calidini in his book Pre-Suasion. "The media is great at telling people what to talk about, but terrible at telling people what to think about it.", basically you can use media streams to get people to focus on something but you cannot use it to get them to believe a certain thing about it.

The results will be more polarization as one group of people on any issue will have less trust in twitter, and the other side will use the proof of everyone knowing it is true.

As I've been reading a recent book about the USSR right before and through WW2 (Ivan's war, good book by the way highly recommend it) it shows how the purpose of propaganda isn't about making you thinking a certain way, but rather making you feel isolated and convince you, that you are alone.

Re: All Twitter users in the US will start to see crowdsourced fact checks on tweets

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Post by rubyist5eva »

bombcar wrote: post #24
rubyist5eva wrote: post #17

This is not how facts work, JFC.

I mean it somewhat IS how Wikipedia works (don't peel back the curtain on anything remotely controversial, however).

I don't consider Wikipedia an authoritative source for anything at all. Looking at sourcing for many articles easily reveals the inherent biases of the editors.

Re: All Twitter users in the US will start to see crowdsourced fact checks on tweets

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Post by krapp »

bl_valance wrote: post #35

It really ruins the magic of some (obvious)joke posts when you see a damn fact check box. This "feature" I see it in the same way as warning labels - "Caution: Hot" - treats people as if they can't practice critical thinking and common sense.

> This "feature" I see it in the same way as warning labels - "Caution: Hot" - treats people as if they can't practice critical thinking and common sense.

History demonstrates that, for the most part, people can't.

Even Hacker News - a community of people who should "know better" - is infested with conspiracy theories, disinformation and bullshit. And the general public trusts Facebook memes more than the mainstream media. The meme is that the people who were saying never to trust anything you read on the internet in the 90s are now saying Biden is three lizards in a trenchcoat. So here we are.

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