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Re: Our domain and 700 non-profit sites got blocked by Meta

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Post by WastingMyTime89 »

invalidusernam3 wrote: post #3
paintman252 wrote: post #2

This is why massive companies like Meta and Alphabet needs to be nationalised. They simply have too much power over lives of billions. This article is just another reminder of this. At scale that Meta operates, this algorithmically decided domain blockings mean nothing to them, but everything to hundred's of non-profits. There need to be legally mandated protections so things like this never happen again.

I don't think nationalisation is the answer, imagine the additional layer of bureaucracy dealing with a government entity. Large companies like Facebook need to be regulated by the government, there needs to be laws in place for stuff like this.

The European Union finally did it with the Digital Market Act. The law enforces access to market place and interoperability between messaging platforms. I’m surprised we don’t hear much about it here.

My guess is that American companies like to pretend it doesn’t matter in case it gave idea to US customers and silently fight it in courts in Europe.

Re: Our domain and 700 non-profit sites got blocked by Meta

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Post by ydlr »

londons_explore wrote: post #8
TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't nationalise them, break them up. A state monopoly is preferable to a private monopoly, but in this case there's no reason we have to have a monopoly. Facebook and Google do too many things.

Communications platforms naturally become a monopoly. The biggest platform is the most useful one because you can talk to most people on it, so people prefer to join the biggest platform and it gets bigger.

That is easily fixed with legislation. We now have multiple phone companies that all interoperate. No reason we can't require the same from our many facebooks.

Re: Our domain and 700 non-profit sites got blocked by Meta

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Post by paintman252 »

capableweb wrote: post #15
paintman252 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Facebook and Google do too many things. Google? Definitely. Meta? Not really. All Meta has is two social networks and one messaging service. They haven't really experienced huge success in anything else. They MAY hit big in VR/AR space, but that's yet to be determined.

Facebook is approaching 100 acquisitions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mergers_and_acquisitio... Feels like a lot and not just three entities. Additionally, Facebook primarily does acquisitions as a form of hiring, according to Mark Zuckerberg himself. They buy the company so they can get the employees to come and work at Facebook.

Sure, they OWN a bunch of stuff, but (besides Facebook/Instagram/Whatsup) none of it is a massive success.

It's not like Google which has 1)Search 2)YouTube 3)Maps 4)Android 5)Chrome 6)Gmail 7)Analytics just from top of my head

Re: Our domain and 700 non-profit sites got blocked by Meta

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Post by lotsofpulp »

xphos wrote: post #11
paintman252 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Facebook and Google do too many things. Google? Definitely. Meta? Not really. All Meta has is two social networks and one messaging service. They haven't really experienced huge success in anything else. They MAY hit big in VR/AR space, but that's yet to be determined.

They still would definitely met the standard of a monopsony if not a monopoly. Its scary that an enormous number of people start and stop the information searching at google or those two social networks. I think its an oversimplification to say that just breaking them will solve the issue but they definitely handle a governmental level of power in terms of social after effects, which is why nation states target them…

Which market are they a monopsony (only one buyer) in?

Re: Our domain and 700 non-profit sites got blocked by Meta

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Post by onion2k »

paintman252 wrote: post #2

This is why massive companies like Meta and Alphabet needs to be nationalised. They simply have too much power over lives of billions. This article is just another reminder of this. At scale that Meta operates, this algorithmically decided domain blockings mean nothing to them, but everything to hundred's of non-profits. There need to be legally mandated protections so things like this never happen again.

There need to be legally mandated protections so things like this never happen again.

Such protection for websites would be an implicit protection for Meta's de facto monopoly on text-based social media. What needs to happen is for these sorts of bans to still happen, but for the public to understand the impact of those bans and move away from a single website for all their social media needs if they want to see posts from everyone.

Competition in the space would fix the problem. It'd mean the impact of a ban is massively diminished, and that companies are incentivized not to issue unwarranted bans because their users would go somewhere else.

While both users and advertisers have no real choice where to go Meta will hold on to their monopoly.

Re: Our domain and 700 non-profit sites got blocked by Meta

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Post by simonbackx »

jefftk wrote: post #18
base wrote: post #13

I don't have a specific solution for you, but I also run a domain with some thousands of subdomains and is always a fight to not be banned from Google, Meta, internet operators etc. Sometimes is enough one bad actor under one of your subdomains to have a full ban on the whole domain. What I suggest is for your and your clients to contact Meta through the Business Center support. Their support for paying clients is mu…

> Sometimes is enough one bad actor under one of your subdomains to have a full ban on the whole domain. If you're running independent subdomains where a bad actor on one should not affect the reputation of the rest, you probably should add your domain to the public suffix list: https://publicsuffix.org

Thanks, I didn't know about that list. I'll try that!

Re: Our domain and 700 non-profit sites got blocked by Meta

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Post by sgc »

paintman252 wrote: post #7
TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't nationalise them, break them up. A state monopoly is preferable to a private monopoly, but in this case there's no reason we have to have a monopoly. Facebook and Google do too many things.

>Facebook and Google do too many things. Google? Definitely. Meta? Not really. All Meta has is two social networks and one messaging service. They haven't really experienced huge success in anything else. They MAY hit big in VR/AR space, but that's yet to be determined.

Just social networking services? Modern social interactions revolve around them. Social networks are incredibly important and should be treated as such.

Re: Our domain and 700 non-profit sites got blocked by Meta

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Post by kyleyeats »

indymike wrote: post #14
paintman252 wrote: post #2

This is why massive companies like Meta and Alphabet needs to be nationalised. They simply have too much power over lives of billions. This article is just another reminder of this. At scale that Meta operates, this algorithmically decided domain blockings mean nothing to them, but everything to hundred's of non-profits. There need to be legally mandated protections so things like this never happen again.

> This is why massive companies like Meta and Alphabet needs to be nationalised. No. Giving this additional power to the government will not have the outcome you want. When something becomes too powerful, the solution is not to further concentrate that power into less accountable hands.

It might be the only way to make Facebook worse.
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