Tesla Vision Update: Replacing Ultrasonic Sensors with Tesla Vision

Post by flutas » Wed, Oct 05, 2022, 1:34 PM UTC

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> The output of the “occupancy network” isn’t displayed to the user right now. I may be mis-understanding, or experiencing something else but I think it is if you're on FSD. It shows up as grey (elevated) regions around the visuals, not the standard "not a road" grey. The gates for my community began showing up in this update with it, but they look like about 2-3ft tall triangles, not a gate... though still recognize…

As stated by Tesla just a few days ago, the occupancy network is not currently shown in the customer-facing visualisation. (Some unrecognised objects are represented by generic placeholders. This is derived from, but not the output of, the occupancy network.) This video links to the relevant citation, and if you continue watching for around ten seconds you can see examples of the occupancy network visualised: https:/…

Post by simondotau » Wed, Oct 05, 2022, 2:04 PM UTC

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As stated by Tesla just a few days ago, the occupancy network is not currently shown in the customer-facing visualisation. (Some unrecognised objects are represented by generic placeholders. This is derived from, but not the output of, the occupancy network.) This video links to the relevant citation, and if you continue watching for around ten seconds you can see examples of the occupancy network visualised: https:/…

I don't think it will ever be shown as "raw data" like that though. They will most likely only show the current street view, with cars and unknown objects that are in the road.

Post by socialismisok » Wed, Oct 05, 2022, 2:11 PM UTC

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When leadership sees numbers going in the wrong direction, they squeeze everywhere they can. Often this means making poor long term or poor engineering decisions in hopes they can squeeze some short term gain. What I see, from decades of being an engineer, is a company making a bad decision probably to cut costs. Why would Tesla need to cut costs? Something isn't working out correctly.

There's no evidence that Tesla has a unit cost problem. If anything the opposite is true. Tesla has significantly higher automotive margins than all mainstream competitors, despite producing 100% EVs with large expensive lithium battery packs. While their competitors mostly produce mature, highly cost optimised ICE vehicles. The result is that Tesla has insane amounts of cash on hand and record-breaking profits, desp…

Post by simondotau » Wed, Oct 05, 2022, 2:23 PM UTC

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Legally, I'm pretty sure they couldn't. Technically, this is true for any product which has a pathway for software updates. Arguably this includes nearly all models of car on sale today, which can have their software updated — even if the process is more cumbersome. The key difference is that a Tesla vehicle can conveniently perform comprehensive whole-of-car updates while it's sitting in your garage, whereas many ot…

> Legally, I'm pretty sure they couldn't. Somewhat related question: do Teslas have a EULA or other agreement on purchase? And if so, does it include an arbitration clause?

Post by Der_Einzige » Wed, Oct 05, 2022, 2:32 PM UTC

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This does not make me optimistic for Tesla's future. Unless this is truly a temporary thing due to a supply shortage and they are planning to return to normal when they can. Tesla's track record is poor. They cheaped out on a few dollars for an IR rain sensor like everyone else uses, and as a result the wipers on a Model 3 are psychotic. Combine that with their hatred for manual controls, and I had a terrible experie…

These all look like push factors and are serious enough on their own. But I don't even need them. I'm pulled by Hyundai. Their recent design language has me and I'd argue they have the better all around packages. Personally, Telsa aren't even the top dog anymore. It'll take time for others to see it.