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EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by CharlesW »

adam_arthur wrote: post #928

Amazing to witness all the Apple apologists coming out to defend the lightning cable, which is both technologically inferior to USB-C, and proprietary. Apple has reached sufficient scale where their anti-competitive practices can be hugely detrimental to society... we don't need regulation if they would opt into consumer friendly practices to begin with. Obviously any regulation needs to be implemented in such a way…

This isn't an "anti-competitive" thing. (1) Lightning was introduced a decade ago when USB-C was just a dream, and (2) Lightning works.

> Connectors have been pretty much standardized without the need for any regulation, barring Apple.

In reality, Apple took a leading role in USB-C adoption starting with 2015's MacBook Pro. Do you really think Apple wasn't going to adopt USB-C everywhere anyway?

The cool thing is that this is an absolute P.R. coup for Apple. Apple now gets to go all-USB-C, and can redirect blame for the unimaginable amount of electronic waste that this will create to the EU.

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by jackvalentine »

rlt wrote: post #929
codexb wrote: post #706

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There's nothing wise or moral about this decision. Mandating a technology standard, purely for personal preference and convenience reasons -- not for reasons related to safety, or pollution, or security -- especially for things that change as fast as phones, is one of the most short-sighted and naive things any government could do. There's a long history of Apple using proprietary connectors to achieve performance sp…

I'd like to see Apple remove the port completely and rely on wireless charging and communication, only in the EU, just to spite the EU.

What an odd thing to say.

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by palata »

blue_light_man wrote: post #610
doikor wrote: post #609

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> A political organization like EU has no say in this. EU and most people living within it would disagree with this statement.

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Does it? I mean China is not exactly as free a market as the US, and I wouldn't say they are lagging horribly behind... on the contrary in many cases

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by kortilla »

GuB-42 wrote: post #921
kortilla wrote: post #622

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>The EU tried very hard, for very many years to signal to the industry "do this yourself so you don't have to legislate it, we don't want to legislate it, you don't want us to legislate it" but Apple (and only Apple) just refused to listen, so here we are. This doesn’t make the approach any less interventionist. “Either do what we want or we’ll pass an official regulation for you to do what we want” isn’t much of a c…

> This doesn’t make the approach any less interventionist. “Either do what we want or we’ll pass an official regulation for you to do what we want” isn’t much of a choice. The jobs of governing bodies is not to give "choice", they are here to make sure people and companies do what they should do, and take action when they don't and it becomes a problem. The UE wanted a universal connector, for a variety of reason, th…

> The jobs of governing bodies is not to give "choice", they are here to make sure people and companies do what they should do

Holy shit that’s not the point of a governing body. It’s to set very specific restrictions on what people and companies should not do.

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by Rebelgecko »

minimaul wrote: post #770
TheYumasi wrote: post #555

As an EU citizen, I am really happy with this decision. I am an iPhone user, but having an iPhone is not ubiquitous here, almost all of my friends/special other, use an Android phone with USB-C. Most of their laptops, Mac or not, use or allow USB-C for charging. This as been the case for a few years now, yet, if I go somewhere for more than a full day and forget my lighting cable, my phone will become a useless paper…

> "the regular charging cable" This is the problem I have with this choice. USB-C isn't one cable. It's a big variety of poorly-labelled possible cables, complying with a ton of different standards. USB-C can be just USB2.0 capable, 3.1 Gen1, 3.1 Gen2, Thunderbolt 3 capable, etc. Some cables can carry 3A. Some 5A. When your 'universal' charging cable doesn't provide fast charging, is it because your charger doesn't p…

The new labeling requirements will hopefully help with that

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by fy20 »

KerrickStaley wrote: post #381
fy20 wrote: post #347

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Are you old enough to remember the early 2000s when every phone and portable media player had it's own charger, which often wasn't even transferable between devices by the same manufacturer? It led to lots of old chargers when devices were replaced, which were useless for anything else (I remember having bags of cables and chargers). And if you wanted a second charger for whatever reason (this was before you needed t…

Micro-USB is not the same as Mini-USB. Mini-USB was introduced in 2000; Micro-USB was introduced in 2007.

GP said:

> When a standard makes sense companies will generally adopt it naturally.

My point was that manufacturers could have done so (with Mini-USB) if they wanted to, but chose not to. Until smart phones came around, most phones were more than thick enough to have a Mini-USB port (and a lot did).

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by fy20 »

Fiahil wrote: post #458
givinguflac wrote: post #429

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| Even amongst Apple's own devices it is a mess. To charge an Apple Pencil with an iPad Pro you need not one, but two adapters. I’m curious what you’re referring to. I charge my Apple Pencil while connected to my iPad, and my iPad chargers via usb c. No adapters for me?

He's referring to the pencil v1, which had to be charged via lightning.

Oh I forgot they added wireless charging in V2. Yeah that part of my argument doesn't really make sense then.

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by 3836293648 »

Terretta wrote: post #820
TheYumasi wrote: post #555

As an EU citizen, I am really happy with this decision. I am an iPhone user, but having an iPhone is not ubiquitous here, almost all of my friends/special other, use an Android phone with USB-C. Most of their laptops, Mac or not, use or allow USB-C for charging. This as been the case for a few years now, yet, if I go somewhere for more than a full day and forget my lighting cable, my phone will become a useless paper…

> e-waste The irony of, e.g., Brazil, passing laws that Apple can't leave the cable and charger out of the box. Meanwhile, who with a current phone uses a cable to charge any more? Even before MagSafe the wireless is far more convenient, now with MagSafe and a zillion brands of stands that do phone + watch + AirPods all wireless, not to mention even MagSafe for cars that charge and don't drop the phone on bad roads,…

You're living in a bubble. Cable based charging is still far more common than wireless. There are still people who refuse to use bluetooth headphones. I am not carrying around another device that requires charging
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