Why can't apple just include a lightning:usbc (m:f) dongle in the box?
EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024
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Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024
#762As an EU citizen, I am really happy with this decision. I am an iPhone user, but having an iPhone is not ubiquitous here, almost all of my friends/special other, use an Android phone with USB-C. Most of their laptops, Mac or not, use or allow USB-C for charging. This as been the case for a few years now, yet, if I go somewhere for more than a full day and forget my lighting cable, my phone will become a useless paper…
USB-C is just a connector. If we follow this logic, the EU should also mandate which aspects of USB-C PD are required to be supported and enforce that. Otherwise we'll end up with a slew of devices without even the required 5.1k resistors, which can't charge from PD-compliant adapters, but can be charged using a USB-A to USB-C cable. As an EU citizen, while I do agree that regulation is often required (it did wonders…
They do mandate USB PD, actually!
The law [0] reads:
> In so far as they are capable of being recharged by means of wired charging at voltages higher than 5 Volts, currents higher than 3 Amperes or powers higher than 15 Watts, the categories or classes of radio equipment referred to in point 1 of this Part shall:
> 3.1. incorporate the USB Power Delivery, as described in the standard EN IEC 62680-1-2:2021 “Universal serial bus interfaces for data and power - Part 1-2: Common components - USB Power Delivery specification”;
> 3.2. ensure that any additional charging protocol allows for the full functionality of the USB Power Delivery referred to in point 3.1., irrespective of the charging device used.
As to devices supplying less than 15 Watts: the 5.1k resistors are already mandatory in the USB-C connector spec.
[0]: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/TA-9-2022-0338... , page 35
Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024
#763The EU tried very hard, for very many years to signal to the industry "do this yourself so you don't have to legislate it, we don't want to legislate it, you don't want us to legislate it" but Apple (and only Apple) just refused to listen, so here we are. For micro-USB, they got the industry together in a "memorandum of understanding" to get them to self-implement it without regulation, and it worked great - everyone…
> but Apple (and only Apple) just refused to listen, so here we are. Did consumers find this so onerous that they stopped buying iPhones?
Maybe this is a feature. When your phone is low on battery, you ask for a charger, and when presented with a normal, plebian charger you get to say "oh, sorry, I need an iphone charger".
If people want to get a practical, compatible phone, they don't get an iphone. iphone only exists as a signal. So while the EU is making a good decision for making iphone's more pratical, they are also misunderstanding what an iphone is imo.
Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024
#764As an EU citizen, I am really happy with this decision. I am an iPhone user, but having an iPhone is not ubiquitous here, almost all of my friends/special other, use an Android phone with USB-C. Most of their laptops, Mac or not, use or allow USB-C for charging. This as been the case for a few years now, yet, if I go somewhere for more than a full day and forget my lighting cable, my phone will become a useless paper…
This is such a short sighted view. What just happened is, EU, a political organization enforcing the use of a technology on a company which operates on free market. It's Apples best interest to make technology that the consumers want so that they can sell more units of that. A political organization like EU has no say in this. EU citizens already make this decision for themselves by voting with money and choosing to…
> A political organization like EU has no say in this. EU citizens already make this decision for themselves by voting with money and choosing to buy/not buy an iPhone.
I think it's important to point out that most EU countries do not subscribe to the exact same free-market vision that the US does. And the biggest country that did has recently left it.
Most of Europe is totally happy with a much more restricted free market than the US would ever allow. This is not something imposed on us people. It's what the majority wants, aka democracy.
Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024
#765Earlier quoted context omitted.
> On the other hand I'm not sure I like the idea of government mandating electrical connectors on devices Depends on the device. Standards for EV fast charging are a very good thing. North America has two different plugs and protocols for DC fast charging (three if you count CHAdeMO) and it's a mess. The EU has standardized on CCS Type 2 Combo so any brand of CCS charging car can charge on any brand of CCS charging n…
> Closed networks like Tesla's and Rivian's are continuing to be part of the problem. All new Tesla stations in Europe use CCS and most of the older stations have been retrofitted with CCS connectors in addition to Type 2. I have an adaptor for my 2017 Model S that allows it to use CCS instead of Type 2 and newer cars can be converted so that CCS connectors can be used without adaptors. All new EVs in Europe already…
> All new EVs in Europe already use CCS and Tesla are slowly opening up their network to other brands of car.
Yes. You're restating what I have said. Tesla should hurry up and open them all.
> So how is Tesla part of the problem?
Because Tesla chargers are not open to all brands everywhere.
A better question to ask is why is Tesla not the leader in multi-brand charging. Other charging networks have delivered chargers which support all brands of EV with longer cables for more vehicle types and are faster than Tesla's chargers to boot.
How can I charge my Volvo truck on Tesla's existing chargers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UAttTG03WA
What about my bus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lNTjJW7HEY
How do I charge my Porsche Taycan on Tesla's chargers at 800 volts instead of this 400 volt business: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0F42jY3dD8
How do I charge my BMW without blocking another charger due to Tesla's short-sighted charger design: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y33AArvMUQ
Tesla's V4 chargers will apparently have longer cables, but Tesla is still no Alpitronic.
Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024
#766Earlier quoted context omitted.
A LOT of less waste maybe ? It is very inconvenient and a hassle to have 5 different cables for 5 different devices. It is a waste of space, materials... The economic gains by volume continent wide should not be underestimated.
Do you actually have data on that though? I see that kind of argument get thrown around but it is never substantiated. How will usbc lead to less waste? If you wanna make that argument, wouldn’t it be better to force companies to opt you out of getting chargers and cables unless you explicitly ask for them when you make the purchase?
less cables needed = less waste
Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024
#767Apple is just going to remove all ports. Keep complaining and they're going to remove screens next to be super super duper innovative.
The EU did this to help the environment. Wireless charging is less efficient than charging cable and wastes electricity, so we may see the EU ban wireless charging.
Apple should ban the EU, that’d straighten this mess out pretty quick.
Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024
#768This "Europe is morally superior to USA" vs "the USA is technically superior to Europe" dispute needs to stop. It's making this forum suck. Can't we do better?
Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024
#769Earlier quoted context omitted.
Respectfully, I would claim it's short-sighted to believe that the individual consumer has any real say in what they want, need or get with respect to offerings by trillion-dollar international conglomerates. There is no such thing as a free and unregulated market. Well, it exists but we call it the law of the jungle. This is not to say that any regulation is sensible, but this kind of standardization to avoid vendor…
> Respectfully, I would claim it's short-sighted to believe that the individual consumer has any real say in what they want, need or get with respect to offerings by trillion-dollar international conglomerates. Whole heartedly agreed. If I, as a consumer, had my say then my flagship phone would still have a headphone jack, an SD card slot, and a replaceable battery. Yet here we are.
"Having a say" is not the same as "Your opinion winning out".
Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024
#770As an EU citizen, I am really happy with this decision. I am an iPhone user, but having an iPhone is not ubiquitous here, almost all of my friends/special other, use an Android phone with USB-C. Most of their laptops, Mac or not, use or allow USB-C for charging. This as been the case for a few years now, yet, if I go somewhere for more than a full day and forget my lighting cable, my phone will become a useless paper…
> "the regular charging cable"
This is the problem I have with this choice. USB-C isn't one cable. It's a big variety of poorly-labelled possible cables, complying with a ton of different standards.
USB-C can be just USB2.0 capable, 3.1 Gen1, 3.1 Gen2, Thunderbolt 3 capable, etc. Some cables can carry 3A. Some 5A.
When your 'universal' charging cable doesn't provide fast charging, is it because your charger doesn't provide the right voltages/wattage? Is it a broken USB-PD implementation (eg the Nintendo Switch)? is it that the cable is underspecced (and a lot of USB-C cables on the market don't actually meet the spec)?
I think the intention is good but USB-C carries so much complexity that I don't think this helps consumers as much as everyone is making out.