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Whitest paint is now thin enough to coat cars and planes

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Re: Whitest paint is now thin enough to coat cars and planes

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If this takes over and is used everywhere, in 50 years, will people become nostalgic over titanium dioxide white? Will the titanium industry be supported by the few remaining vintage white paint manufacturers? \s

I think people will in fact get nostalgic about titanium dioxide white. Actually any white. Looking at the progress, in 50 years every surface is going to be covered with ads.

Re: Whitest paint is now thin enough to coat cars and planes

#52
post #7

I know nothing about this sort of stuff, but if this were applied to cars, would there be an increased risk of temporarily blinding other drivers on a sunny day?

It won't shine any brighter than the light that's hitting it.

Still, snow can cause blindness: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photokeratitis

Re: Whitest paint is now thin enough to coat cars and planes

#54
post #41

Are airplanes more in need of cooling or heating? The outside temperature at cruising altitude is around -50° (roughly where the Celsius and Fahrenheit scales meet, btw), is the insulation good enough to just keep the inside at acceptable temperatures for humans?

The article mentions airplanes waiting on the ground, but I do wonder what happens during flight. I suppose the engines create plenty of heat after all.

Re: Whitest paint is now thin enough to coat cars and planes

#56
post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope. Silver reflectivity is about 95%, aluminum reflectivity is about 90%. So the best metallic mirrors are worse than the best white paints, even if they can be better than the frequently used white paints based on titanium white (89.5% reflectivity). Total internal reflection might be closer to 100%, but that cannot be used for the light that comes from the air on the surface of a mirror.

What I’ve seen says silver and aluminium are both a bit better than that. https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Reflectance-versus-wavel... https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Reflectance-of-Ag-Au-and... I think this better fits my observation that a clean mirror can easily be unnoticed in an environment similar in all directions, such as woodland or a messy room.

What counts is not the peak reflectivity from those graphs, but the integrals over the solar spectrum.

Aluminum has lower reflectivity everywhere, but it retains a high reflectivity in ultraviolet.

Silver absorbs ultraviolet, which lowers the integrated reflectivity over the complete spectrum.

A few percent difference in the total reflectivity can make a large difference in the cooling power of a paint, but a few percent difference in the reflectivity of a mirror is unlikely to be perceived visually.

Re: Whitest paint is now thin enough to coat cars and planes

#57
post #30

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I don’t think there’s a physical difference between reflection and re-radiation, is there? Reflection is just highly organized/non-diffuse.

reflection is coherent, a single physical process. The light keeps it's phase and polarization. Re-radiation is incoherent, caused by multiple particle interactions (physical processes). So there's quite a difference in physics.

Can you explain? As I understand it, in both cases, a photon comes in, gets absorbed by the material, and then gets re emitted.

Re: Whitest paint is now thin enough to coat cars and planes

#58

If you mixed it with Vantablack, would you get the greyest possible paint? /s

You could try buying some and find out! https://culturehustle.com/products/black-v1-0-beta-the-world... You could also mix it with the 'whitest white' https://culturehustle.com/products/white-20

You linked to black 2.0. It may very well be the blackest black, but it is decidedly not Vantablack. I think this is worth distinguishing, because interestingly, I don't think just anyone can get their hands on Vantablack because someone obtained exclusive rights to it. :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuart_Semple#Conflict_with_An...

Re: Whitest paint is now thin enough to coat cars and planes

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post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I’ve seen says silver and aluminium are both a bit better than that. https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Reflectance-versus-wavel... https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Reflectance-of-Ag-Au-and... I think this better fits my observation that a clean mirror can easily be unnoticed in an environment similar in all directions, such as woodland or a messy room.

What counts is not the peak reflectivity from those graphs, but the integrals over the solar spectrum. Aluminum has lower reflectivity everywhere, but it retains a high reflectivity in ultraviolet. Silver absorbs ultraviolet, which lowers the integrated reflectivity over the complete spectrum. A few percent difference in the total reflectivity can make a large difference in the cooling power of a paint, but a few per…

Fair, I was only thinking of the visual spectrum and in this context that’s not right. :)

Re: Whitest paint is now thin enough to coat cars and planes

#60

Re >> "with an ability to reflect around 98% of incoming sunlight" Seems like a mirror would reflect even more light. Now, obviously we don't want to make the exteriors of our buildings and cars a mirror! . but it made me wonder: What's the difference between a really really really white paint that reflects 98%+ light, vs. a reflective surface? Is it that the white paint reflects the light, but in a "scrambled" form,…

Nope. Silver reflectivity is about 95%, aluminum reflectivity is about 90%. So the best metallic mirrors are worse than the best white paints, even if they can be better than the frequently used white paints based on titanium white (89.5% reflectivity). Total internal reflection might be closer to 100%, but that cannot be used for the light that comes from the air on the surface of a mirror.

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