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Whitest paint is now thin enough to coat cars and planes

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Re: Whitest paint is now thin enough to coat cars and planes

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It's things like this that have the potential to have big effects. Savings to cooling will directly improve energy efficiency and thus CO2 production.

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> Reflected heat has to go somewhere.

Back out to space, where it came from.

Re: Whitest paint is now thin enough to coat cars and planes

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Re >> "with an ability to reflect around 98% of incoming sunlight" Seems like a mirror would reflect even more light. Now, obviously we don't want to make the exteriors of our buildings and cars a mirror! . but it made me wonder: What's the difference between a really really really white paint that reflects 98%+ light, vs. a reflective surface? Is it that the white paint reflects the light, but in a "scrambled" form,…

yes. A white surface scatters the photons and a reflective one keeps them in the same position relative to the others. If you make a surface smooth enough it starts becoming partly reflective. There is also scattering of photons that happens in object itself

I found this video about the topic to be interesting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1n_otIs6z6E (title: Why aren't Mirrors White? Why isn't EVERYTHING a Mirror?)

Re: Whitest paint is now thin enough to coat cars and planes

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Re >> "with an ability to reflect around 98% of incoming sunlight" Seems like a mirror would reflect even more light. Now, obviously we don't want to make the exteriors of our buildings and cars a mirror! . but it made me wonder: What's the difference between a really really really white paint that reflects 98%+ light, vs. a reflective surface? Is it that the white paint reflects the light, but in a "scrambled" form,…

Nope.

Silver reflectivity is about 95%, aluminum reflectivity is about 90%.

So the best metallic mirrors are worse than the best white paints, even if they can be better than the frequently used white paints based on titanium white (89.5% reflectivity).

Total internal reflection might be closer to 100%, but that cannot be used for the light that comes from the air on the surface of a mirror.

Re: Whitest paint is now thin enough to coat cars and planes

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Back into space. Seems fine.

Back towards space is more accurate. Some of the light will bounce back to the earth because of the greenhouse effect.

edit: This doesn't mean that the paint isn't effective for what the researchers want it to do, in case that wasn't clear

Re: Whitest paint is now thin enough to coat cars and planes

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Re >> "with an ability to reflect around 98% of incoming sunlight" Seems like a mirror would reflect even more light. Now, obviously we don't want to make the exteriors of our buildings and cars a mirror! . but it made me wonder: What's the difference between a really really really white paint that reflects 98%+ light, vs. a reflective surface? Is it that the white paint reflects the light, but in a "scrambled" form,…

Nope. Silver reflectivity is about 95%, aluminum reflectivity is about 90%. So the best metallic mirrors are worse than the best white paints, even if they can be better than the frequently used white paints based on titanium white (89.5% reflectivity). Total internal reflection might be closer to 100%, but that cannot be used for the light that comes from the air on the surface of a mirror.

A simple way to verify this is to observe that common mirrors also tend to be green, showing that the other colors are absorbed more by the mirror. If you face two mirrors towards each other you will see a lot of green.

edit: here's an example: https://i.imgur.com/Ar80FYZ.jpeg

Re: Whitest paint is now thin enough to coat cars and planes

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> The new material features boron nitride in hexagonal nanoplatelet form and offers a solar reflectance of 97.9% What's the difference between white paint and a mirror? Scatter?

Yep — mirrors are coherent while white paints scatter, even though they reflect similar amounts of light.

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Nope. Silver reflectivity is about 95%, aluminum reflectivity is about 90%. So the best metallic mirrors are worse than the best white paints, even if they can be better than the frequently used white paints based on titanium white (89.5% reflectivity). Total internal reflection might be closer to 100%, but that cannot be used for the light that comes from the air on the surface of a mirror.

A simple way to verify this is to observe that common mirrors also tend to be green, showing that the other colors are absorbed more by the mirror. If you face two mirrors towards each other you will see a lot of green. edit: here's an example: https://i.imgur.com/Ar80FYZ.jpeg

The common mirrors have the metal on the back side, so their reflectivity is diminished by the absorption in the glass.

The better mirrors, which are used e.g. in telescopes and some other optical instruments, have the metal on the front side, but that limits the metal choice to aluminum, because silver is tarnished quickly by the sulfur compounds present in the air.

Re: Whitest paint is now thin enough to coat cars and planes

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How does this new paint compare to the contents of a spray paint can from Home Depot? Having a hard time searching the web for this one, the first few pages of hits are all about this new 98.1% paint.

You’re looking for something called “light reflectance value” or LRV.

You can get 90-94% in wall paints; not sure about spray paints.

https://www.kylieminteriors.ca/paint-colour-review-the-5-whi...

Re: Whitest paint is now thin enough to coat cars and planes

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Yes, it's not reflecting the light so much as re-radiating it in a diffuse pattern.

I don’t think there’s a physical difference between reflection and re-radiation, is there? Reflection is just highly organized/non-diffuse.

reflection is coherent, a single physical process. The light keeps it's phase and polarization. Re-radiation is incoherent, caused by multiple particle interactions (physical processes). So there's quite a difference in physics.
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