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EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by mort96 »

nickpp wrote: post #732
mort96 wrote: post #664

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> It's Apples best interest to make technology that the consumers want so that they can sell more units of that. This is so hilariously wrong. It's in Apple's best interest to do whatever makes them the most money. Sometimes that happens to coincide with what customers want, but it often doesn't, _especially_ in a market with a duopoly with an incredibly high affinity for lock-in.

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All running either Google's Android or Apple's iOS. Google and Apple is the duopoly I was talking about.

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by [deleted] »

Jtsummers wrote: post #713
codexb wrote: post #706

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There's nothing wise or moral about this decision. Mandating a technology standard, purely for personal preference and convenience reasons -- not for reasons related to safety, or pollution, or security -- especially for things that change as fast as phones, is one of the most short-sighted and naive things any government could do. There's a long history of Apple using proprietary connectors to achieve performance sp…

> There's a long history of Apple using proprietary connectors to achieve performance specifications above what the currently available standardized connectors could provide. Lightning was good when it came out (compared to the various micro-USB options), but it's not held up. Even Apple knows this and they've moved away from it on their iPads.

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Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by klempner »

hedgehog wrote: post #656
TheYumasi wrote: post #555

As an EU citizen, I am really happy with this decision. I am an iPhone user, but having an iPhone is not ubiquitous here, almost all of my friends/special other, use an Android phone with USB-C. Most of their laptops, Mac or not, use or allow USB-C for charging. This as been the case for a few years now, yet, if I go somewhere for more than a full day and forget my lighting cable, my phone will become a useless paper…

Lightning is a better connector for small devices and it's more durable in my experience. USB-C is way better than micro as a connector but you end up with the issue of many kinds of cables that look similar but are not interchangeable. What speed? PD support? Power only? Who knows! Maybe switching to a less durable connector or no connector is fine given that Qi support has gotten pretty good. Most of the Lightning…

There is no such thing as a C to C cable that is "power only" or doesn't support PD, unless it is grossly spec incompliant.

The minimal spec C to C cable is USB 2 data and supports power delivery with currents up to 3 amps (i.e. 60 W at 20V 3A)

This is enough for most phones, and almost all of the exceptions use proprietary charging that isn't going to work on a C to C cable anyway.

The labeling issue of all these cheap shit cables is a serious problem, but it is a nonissue in the phone charging context.

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by wongarsu »

codexb wrote: post #706
TheYumasi wrote: post #555

As an EU citizen, I am really happy with this decision. I am an iPhone user, but having an iPhone is not ubiquitous here, almost all of my friends/special other, use an Android phone with USB-C. Most of their laptops, Mac or not, use or allow USB-C for charging. This as been the case for a few years now, yet, if I go somewhere for more than a full day and forget my lighting cable, my phone will become a useless paper…

There's nothing wise or moral about this decision. Mandating a technology standard, purely for personal preference and convenience reasons -- not for reasons related to safety, or pollution, or security -- especially for things that change as fast as phones, is one of the most short-sighted and naive things any government could do. There's a long history of Apple using proprietary connectors to achieve performance sp…

It gets kind of lost in the summary, but only devices that are rechargeable via a wired cable have to be chargable via USB-C. So going fully wireless is perfectly legal. It's also perfectly legal to offer other charging ports in addition to USB-C, though that's less likely to happen in phones.

And while this regulation puts some limitations on innovation in connectors, Thunderbolt shows that there is lots of room to innovate within the USB-C format (in a way that's compatible to normal USB).

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by gruez »

gnicholas wrote: post #597
Fiahil wrote: post #129

Fast-Forward to Autumn 2023 or Spring 2024 : Tim Cook: (40:20) Now let’s talk about iPhone. iPhone has forever changed the world. Every single day people rely on iPhone, from their most demanding tasks to capturing the moments of their lives, streaming their favorite TV shows, playing their favorite games, staying up to date with the news of the world and connecting with friends and loved ones. Tim Cook: (40:42) This…

> Fast-Forward to Autumn 2023 or Spring 2024 Since when does Apple introduce new iPhones in the Spring?

iPhone SEs were released in the spring.

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by frosted-flakes »

tasuki wrote: post #544
emaro wrote: post #218

I agree with the overall tone in the comments here: yay in general, but what a shame a law needs to specify a specific port for ~iPhones~ devices. I really like USB-C. It's sooo convenient to charge my notebook, my headphones, my phone, my everything with the same cable. However what bothers me since someone pointed it out to me: for phones, which are used all day in all kind of situations, lightning has a big andvan…

> It's sooo convenient to charge my notebook, my headphones, my phone, my everything with the same cable. This really works for you? When I try charging my laptop with my phone cable/charger, it not only doesn't charge, but the laptop requires a hard reset to start turn on again. When I try charging my phone with my laptop cable/charger, it just doesn't charge. So while it's great in theory that everything is USB-C,…

When I travel, I bring one 30W USB-C charging brick and a 2m USB-C cable, in addition to a Dell battery bank that has a short integrated USB-C cable. These charge my phone, laptop, iPad mini, and Nintendo Switch. At home I have a dedicated 45W charger for my laptop, but the 30W charger is much smaller and works just fine.

Unfortunately, I still need to bring a 6" microUSB cable as well, because my Logitech mouse, bicycle headlamp, and pocket flashlight (that uses 14500 lithium batteries) still don't have USB-C ports. I plan on upgrading all of them to USB-C when I can, but these rarely need to be charged so it's not as big a deal for me.

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by xdennis »

GoldenMonkey wrote: post #714
funklute wrote: post #651

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> A political organization like EU has no say in this. This is the short-sighted view. The unguided free market very often makes "decisions" that are detrimental to society as a whole, and it is absolutely necessary for political organisations to correct for this.

This is a false dichotomy. The government and politicians makes and mandates decisions that are detrimental to society. Often to their own benefit. And they have no competition. It would be too political to list these. But, I am sure both sides of the political spectrum can come up with innumerable examples.

Firstly, with your government, you get a vote. But just about competition: the competition is that you can move to a different jurisdiction (i.e. country). And there's a lot more competition there than there is with phone makers or phone OSes.

If a Frenchman doesn't like French laws he can move to Germany and haul all his stuff there (and his pension, etc). But if you don't like the Apple ecosystem anymore, Apple will make it as difficult as possible to move.

The free market isn't the utopia libertarians think it is. You don't get to protest inside Apple, you can't petition for redress of grievances, if Apple terminates your account, you don't get a judge or jury of your Apple peers to rule if it was right or wrong.

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by JacobiX »

Hope that they will extend this regulation to not just mobile phones, tablets and cameras but also to electric razors, hair care appliances, toothbrushes, home appliances, etc ... considering that many big EU corporations manufacture those products, maybe the likelihood is low ?
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