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EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by jmull »

Kbelicius wrote: post #69
jmull wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can “reassure” you: this is unambiguously a bad idea. First, market forces already standardized on two main standards. Second, the interop problem is a $10 cable between wall-wart and device. So the problem solved is a small one. I think this idea got its momentum from years ago when practically every model of phone had a different charger and wall wart. Meanwhile, think about what you lose. Is USB-C really the end…

> First, market forces already standardized on two main standards. EU sat down the manufacturers and told them that if they don't come to an agreement the EU will make the choice for them. Most of them came to an agreement. So you are right, market forces did make manufacturers to standardize on two main standards. That force is named EU. > Is USB-C really the end-game of charging connectors? No, and EU has no illusi…

I don't think EU regulation works the way you think it does.

> This is just stupid fearmongering.

I guess if you can't make a good point, you can always hurl insults.

What do you think people who upgrade their iPhones in 2024 will do with their lightning cables which no longer connect to anything they have?

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by Thaxll »

_trackno5 wrote: post #49

Why do people think it is a good thing to have this enforced by law is beyond me. I don't see any win besides a minor convenience. A lightning cable weighs almost nothing and it's not a big deal to have one around. As to lightning port limitations, I question whether usb-c will give average iPhone users any other advantage other than charging their phone. What are people gonna do with it other than charge their phone…

Do you know how many USB cable / charger people have on average?

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by gizmo »

counttheforks wrote: post #126
_trackno5 wrote: post #49

Why do people think it is a good thing to have this enforced by law is beyond me. I don't see any win besides a minor convenience. A lightning cable weighs almost nothing and it's not a big deal to have one around. As to lightning port limitations, I question whether usb-c will give average iPhone users any other advantage other than charging their phone. What are people gonna do with it other than charge their phone…

Because apple refuses to play ball otherwise. Capitalism has failed and is now producing tonnes of unnecessary e-waste.

A 4 year old iPhone still works perfectly, but a $200 Android will find its way to a landfill way sooner. As a rule of thumb, appliances that last are better for the environment than cheap products. Apple is good at make devices that last.

Nowadays all laptops can charge over usb-c (including Apple laptops, mind you!). Did anybody have to force Apple to do this? No, because charging technology improved so much that what used to be a big brick is now a pocketable GAN charger. Even the new magsafe laptops still support usb-c charging. And iPhones support wireless qi charging as well as Apple's proprietary magnet based wireless charging solution. Thanks to cheaper chips all devices can now negotiate how much power they need from the power brick. That's a big win, and this just wasn't possible a decade ago.

We're in the final stretch of a 20 year trend towards universal chargers, and this EU mandate is totally unnecessary.

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by thefz »

that_guy_iain wrote: post #9

This is an awesome move in my opinion. While it's pretty much defactor making it universal and legally required will be with the cutter and waste that is created by often requiring a special charger or a different charge for a device.

ahem de facto, it's latin.

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by [deleted] »

oneplane wrote: post #84
Y-bar wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, a big finally ! I love my Apple device (personal iPhone 12 mini, work iPhone 8, Apple TV 4K with new remote, iPad Air, ...) but the lightning connection should obviously have been retired a few years ago.

> should obviously have been Except that it isn't obvious. You're essentially at the end of an extremely long and complicated supply chain for a multi-million device pipeline. You have no idea what a change, any change, involves. And because you don't know this (assuming you're not a supply chain engineer of design for manufacture specialist) you cannot state that it is obvious either. What is obvious is that some pe…

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Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by that_guy_iain »

TradingPlaces wrote: post #100
that_guy_iain wrote: post #9

This is an awesome move in my opinion. While it's pretty much defactor making it universal and legally required will be with the cutter and waste that is created by often requiring a special charger or a different charge for a device.

How about all the waste when over a billion iPhone users throw out Lightning accessories?

Apple will do what they did with micro usb chargers. Bring out an dongle.

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by EugeneOZ »

_trackno5 wrote: post #49

Why do people think it is a good thing to have this enforced by law is beyond me. I don't see any win besides a minor convenience. A lightning cable weighs almost nothing and it's not a big deal to have one around. As to lightning port limitations, I question whether usb-c will give average iPhone users any other advantage other than charging their phone. What are people gonna do with it other than charge their phone…

Data transfer speed is an important reason. iPhone 14 Pro can create huge videos and photos, and transferring them using Lightning is too slow.

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by Y-bar »

oneplane wrote: post #84
Y-bar wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, a big finally ! I love my Apple device (personal iPhone 12 mini, work iPhone 8, Apple TV 4K with new remote, iPad Air, ...) but the lightning connection should obviously have been retired a few years ago.

> should obviously have been Except that it isn't obvious. You're essentially at the end of an extremely long and complicated supply chain for a multi-million device pipeline. You have no idea what a change, any change, involves. And because you don't know this (assuming you're not a supply chain engineer of design for manufacture specialist) you cannot state that it is obvious either. What is obvious is that some pe…

I'm obviously talking from a customer and consumer perspective, but can you provide any kind of explanation why implementing USB-C is problematic in the iPhone when it already is in the iPad and desktop and laptop Macs and Apple displays?

Tim Cook made himself a legendary leader in logistics and manufacturing before taking on the CEO role for being able to do just what you say he would have problem doing.

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by Hamcha »

_trackno5 wrote: post #49

Why do people think it is a good thing to have this enforced by law is beyond me. I don't see any win besides a minor convenience. A lightning cable weighs almost nothing and it's not a big deal to have one around. As to lightning port limitations, I question whether usb-c will give average iPhone users any other advantage other than charging their phone. What are people gonna do with it other than charge their phone…

> Why do people think it is a good thing to have this enforced by law is beyond me.

It's not, we're glad SOMEONE is forcing them to take this direction, but it's really sad (and potentially damaging) it had to come to this.

> As to lightning port limitations, I question whether usb-c will give average iPhone users any other advantage other than charging their phone. What are people gonna do with it other than charge their phones or transfer files?

Lightning itself is also used for audio (analog audio dongle) and video. The one benefit USB-C could bring to the table is higher transfer speed since Lightning is stuck on USB2 speeds, USB-C doesn't imply USB 3 but they might as well try.

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