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EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by capableweb »

roenxi wrote: post #75

This legislation would have been stupid at any other time in the history of hardware. It will prove to be stupid now as well. There is no reason to think the USB-C is the peak of technical achievement or even consistently a local optimum design choice. The EU has enough problems right now, they don't need to try and help Apple design iPhones.

Is there something in this regulation that says it can never be changed to something else in the future? Why do you assume USB-C will remain the standard for all future? Seems likely if something else pops up in 2030 that is way better, there is nothing to suggest a new regulation couldn't be made.

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by francoisprunier »

jhoelzel wrote: post #78

"Starting in 2026, USB-C will also become the norm for laptop chargers." I believe it when I see it! My Surfacebook has USB-C Charging but its not enough to run the GPU at max. I hate the surface dock that I need to use but from my understanding -i do have to use it- because of the power requirments.

The law says it's only for devices whose power consumption is under 100W.

source : https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/BRIE/2021/6988...

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by haunter »

DrNosferatu wrote: post #77

Can anyone please post a link to the list of MEPs who voted against? (or the complete list of vote directions) Thanks!

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/PV-9-2022-10-0...

Against:

ECR (European Conservatives and Reformists ): Ilčić (Croatia), Jurzyca (Slovakia), Zahradil (Czechia)

ID (Identity and Democracy ): Haider (Austria), Kofod (Denmark), Mayer (Austria), Vilimsky (Austria)

PPE (European People's Party Group): Herbst (Germany)

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by roenxi »

capableweb wrote: post #91
roenxi wrote: post #75

This legislation would have been stupid at any other time in the history of hardware. It will prove to be stupid now as well. There is no reason to think the USB-C is the peak of technical achievement or even consistently a local optimum design choice. The EU has enough problems right now, they don't need to try and help Apple design iPhones.

Is there something in this regulation that says it can never be changed to something else in the future? Why do you assume USB-C will remain the standard for all future? Seems likely if something else pops up in 2030 that is way better, there is nothing to suggest a new regulation couldn't be made.

How will they figure out that there is a better standard in the future? Certainly not with a study in the EU.

They're going to have to send investigators to more advanced foreign countries to figure out what charger to use.

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by neogodless »

capableweb wrote: post #88
iampivot wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

USB-C can easily deliver 100w continuously if the charger and laptop supports it.

Seems current USB-C is limited to 100W, future will be limited to 240W. Seems most modern mobile GPUs could exceed 100W, but are within 240W at least so seems we're relatively safe. But who knows with the new GPUs... Maybe should be a bit more headroom?

Just some reference numbers off the top of my head.

Mobile GPU max power (using Geforce examples)

80W GTX 1660 Ti (mainstream/high end before Geforce RTX took off)

115W RTX 2060 (if OEM tunes it that high)

140W RTX 3070

175W RTX 3080 Ti

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by looperhacks »

DrNosferatu wrote: post #77

Can anyone please post a link to the list of MEPs who voted against? (or the complete list of vote directions) Thanks!

You can find a PDF [1] on the website of the european parliament

[1] https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/PV-9-2022-10-0... page 16

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by hyperman1 »

roenxi wrote: post #75

This legislation would have been stupid at any other time in the history of hardware. It will prove to be stupid now as well. There is no reason to think the USB-C is the peak of technical achievement or even consistently a local optimum design choice. The EU has enough problems right now, they don't need to try and help Apple design iPhones.

There is no reason the EU can't upgrade to a new standard, or the USB consortium can't create a backward compatible upgrade. My USB 1.0 keyboard from long ago still works, BTW.

Meanwhile, I have a box full of chargers for all kinds of old stuff. Replacing them all with 1 standard is great. And USB is doing just that, not only for cell phones but for all kinds of gadgets. Even if I only require an USB micro and an USB C charger, that's a ton of chargers not in my house, and a ton of time not hunting around for the right one.

The main problem here is Apple. The EU went to all cellphone makers and told them to either agree to a standard voluntarily, or the EU would decide from them. This kind of process is quite normal for technology decisions in europe, BTW. Most manufacturers agreed on an USB variant( might have been micro at the time, don't know if C already existed ). Apple refused to join the club or come with an other acceptable proposal.

If a kid refuses to play along, the adults have to force the situation. The kid might not like the result and whine a bit afterwards. What surprises me is that it took so many years before this happens.

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by akmarinov »

Currently Apple sells new iPhone 12s, a 3 year old "design".

Starting 2024, they'll have to only sell phones with USB-C in the EU.

Assuming the iPhone 15 has USB-C, where does that leave the previous generations that they keep selling for new?

Do they:

1. Stop selling anything but the 15 in the EU?

2. Make a change to all new iPhones, even 13, 14, SE to:

  2.1 Take out the port completely and leave it portless, with Magsafe for charging

  2.2 Change the 13, 14 and SE designs to USB-C just for the EU?
What costs them the least money and makes them the most?

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by TradingPlaces »

that_guy_iain wrote: post #9

This is an awesome move in my opinion. While it's pretty much defactor making it universal and legally required will be with the cutter and waste that is created by often requiring a special charger or a different charge for a device.

How about all the waste when over a billion iPhone users throw out Lightning accessories?
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