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Don’t believe the propaganda. “Anti-racism” is actually about racism against Asians. “Equity” is actually about lowering the standards and destroying meritocracy. “Inclusion” is actually about excluding people that have different political or moral opinions (e.g. that don’t want to be racist against Asians or that support meritocracy).
Low inheritance tax has had that covered for a while.
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>The idea that the only cure for discrimination is discrimination is akin to saying the only cure for violence is violence. It’s abject insanity that such a notion is being advanced in society. Absolutely not. The idea that any of this is fixable with 'forgiveness' is far more insane. You can't undo hundreds of years of systematic disenfranchisement and subjugation with forgiveness - you have to discriminate in the o…
> You are free to compete with all the others,’ and still justly believe that you have been completely fair." It's not fair. Neither is discriminating in the other direction because these people are not at fault for what their ancestors did, not to mention that affirmative action policies divide people along racial lines rather than the factor more relevant to today, class lines. Ask yourself whether a black student…
If a white people said this everyone would say he is a nazi.
He’s right to do so. Statements that your research must be presented with a filter based on how it will advance political goals calls into question the integrity of all research. When people don’t “trust the science” this will be why. But further, I’d never seen the statement from antiracist before…wow. The idea that the only cure for discrimination is discrimination is akin to saying the only cure for violence is vi…
You're saying the only way to end discrimination is for the victims to forgive the perpetrators? How would that work exactly? IMO, the only way to move forward is to correct past wrongs by heavily investing in affected communities economically and afa education and health. What Haidt is being asked to do here does none of these things and is purely for show.
Which should eventually lead to forgiveness, right?
The framework presented does not include forgiveness at all, the crimes are treated as unforgivable and atonement is eternal. Which clearly indicates that their goal is not to end discrimination.
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After decades/centuries of abuse, how does "forgiveness" fix systemic issues? Forgiveness can't fix the fact that black Americans were denied access to loans, houses, GI Bill provisions, and all sorts of opportunities that were the primary source of household wealth gains for the last 75 years. It can't fix the fact that those gains mean white people have, on average, more access to "a small loan" from a family membe…
So, with your reasoning, what's the correct response today to the Holocaust?
http://www.mnchurches.org/blog/2021/02/18/holocaust-survivor...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reparations_Agreement_between_...
I read the whole thread up till now and did not see anyone supporting mandated DEI statements. So I’m posting to say that I do support them. In my experience at a couple of different learning institutions I’ve seen what I believe are positive changes that they’ve enabled. EDIT: I also support antiracist sentiments and policies. I’ve watched them make what I believe are significant positive impacts when I’ve employed…
I also support diversity statements when they are about the only type of diversity that matters - intellectual diversity. Join me in making equal far-right representation on all campuses a reality. (Only the 'join me' in the above is sarcasm)
But if I'm understanding the 2nd sentence, this is so true in that these extremists feel that unless we are forced to listen to & give them a platform that they are somehow being censored.
No one is taping someone's mouth shut.
In fact those voices are louder now than they have been in my entire life.
But I'm not going to listen to it.
and yeah young people are generally more open minded and yes they are peer pressuring (subject of this complains about peer pressure). Maybe that says something..
One can change ones behavior and beliefs and maybe they'll be more accepted into the group they want to to be in.
Or not!
it's their choice that they are free to make.
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I "just Googled" it: > In recent decades, as understanding of human genetics has advanced, claims of inherent differences in intelligence between races have been broadly rejected by scientists on both theoretical and empirical grounds. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence The article is full of references of primary sources that support this claim.
That is the #9 most controversial article in wikipedia, historically: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/the-ten-most-contr... It is heavily censored with wikipedia's left-leaning bias. Go read the talk page to see it in action.
Wikipedia doesn't have a left-leaning bias, reality does.
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I "just Googled" it: > In recent decades, as understanding of human genetics has advanced, claims of inherent differences in intelligence between races have been broadly rejected by scientists on both theoretical and empirical grounds. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence The article is full of references of primary sources that support this claim.
There is a robust empirical difference that's seen between races. That quote is about the notion that this difference is inherent. Rather, most scientists think it's largely environmental. They wouldn't have to attribute the difference to environmental factors if there were no actual difference. So the OP is correct in saying that even if you remove discrimination there would still be differences, because the environ…
There's not an objective/standardized way to even measure intelligence, so you'll forgive me if I treat the claim that there's an empirical difference in intelligence between races with a mountain of skepticism.
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I also support diversity statements when they are about the only type of diversity that matters - intellectual diversity. Join me in making equal far-right representation on all campuses a reality. (Only the 'join me' in the above is sarcasm)
I don't quite parse your intent here. But if I'm understanding the 2nd sentence, this is so true in that these extremists feel that unless we are forced to listen to & give them a platform that they are somehow being censored. No one is taping someone's mouth shut. In fact those voices are louder now than they have been in my entire life. But I'm not going to listen to it. and yeah young people are generally more ope…
No, actually if you just don't explicitly engage in hiring practices on the basis of ideology.
https://unherd.com/thepost/political-discrimination-is-fuell...
>Several studies find that between 18 and 55% of academics would discriminate against a Right-wing applicant for a job or grant. I found that 40-45% of North American academics would not hire a Trump supporter and 1 in 3 in Britain would not hire a Leave supporter.
I of course don't expect the fact to lead to any form of reflection. After all, it's obvious you can't even grasp the fact that ideological diversity is beneficial and matters while ethnic diversity doesn't matter and is often harmful.
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Yes, it definitely can. It'd just be laughed out of the building and no one but assholes would present there. AKA freedom works perfectly
Can you give me one example where such a society was allowed? Because I can give you plenty of examples where white ethnic activism was explicitly prohibited and people were kicked out of university for engaging in it. Deliver or be proved the bullshit artist you are.
first: tone & language means this is silly of me to reply.
second: how about basically the entire existence of the US
so many examples of government & local police enforced white ethnic activism and active racism & enslavement.
fugitive slave act. legally forced segregation & jim crow laws.
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Can you give me one example where such a society was allowed? Because I can give you plenty of examples where white ethnic activism was explicitly prohibited and people were kicked out of university for engaging in it. Deliver or be proved the bullshit artist you are.
Really? first: tone & language means this is silly of me to reply. second: how about basically the entire existence of the US so many examples of government & local police enforced white ethnic activism and active racism & enslavement. fugitive slave act. legally forced segregation & jim crow laws.
Also, you were not explicitly asked or referenced in my comment so your first point is irrelevant.
Yes, especially dense.