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Re: Mandated diversity statement drives Jonathan Haidt to quit academic society

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Uh, can't it? Stuff like lead exposure is higher in disfavored groups, and lead exposure is very bad for IQ. All sorts of environmental pollution is bad for child development, developing brains are pretty susceptible to this stuff, and guess which people end up having to live in more polluted areas? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_racism#Impacts_o...

That’s completely hypothetical and easily refutable by rural/urban breakdown, county-level breakdowns, outperformance by poor Asians, historical LA smog, etcetera.

no, subcounty level breakdowns actually support the thesis that higher pollution is at least correlated with lower educational attainment. Don't post misinformation. "historical LA smog" isn't a statement that refutes anything. The international consensus is that pollution is bad for educational attainment as well as other iq-like metrics, this is true in India, China, Brazil, and the UK, as well as impacts of prenatal exposure being bad in NYC and internationally.

Re: Mandated diversity statement drives Jonathan Haidt to quit academic society

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He’s right to do so. Statements that your research must be presented with a filter based on how it will advance political goals calls into question the integrity of all research. When people don’t “trust the science” this will be why. But further, I’d never seen the statement from antiracist before…wow. The idea that the only cure for discrimination is discrimination is akin to saying the only cure for violence is vi…

>The idea that the only cure for discrimination is discrimination is akin to saying the only cure for violence is violence. It’s abject insanity that such a notion is being advanced in society.

Absolutely not. The idea that any of this is fixable with 'forgiveness' is far more insane. You can't undo hundreds of years of systematic disenfranchisement and subjugation with forgiveness - you have to discriminate in the opposite direction.

To quote LBJ, "You do not take a person who, for years, has been hobbled by chains and liberate him, bring him up to the starting line of a race and then say, ‘You are free to compete with all the others,’ and still justly believe that you have been completely fair." That's what Kendi is saying, and he's completely right.

Re: Mandated diversity statement drives Jonathan Haidt to quit academic society

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what a world where someone thinks getting banned from facebook is oppression

What about being banned from the entire banking system? It might not have happened yet, but I suspect we're heading in that direction. We've seen 'speech related' bans from Paypal and crowdfunding sites. Paypal even deplatformed the (UK-based) Free Speech Union (although they reverted that decision after the backlash)

When people with the wrong opinions (on who knows what, frankly, the list keeps changing) get banned from banking systems the very same people will be in the thread defending the sanctions and censorship action.

“Just build your own bank.” “Just build your own currency.”

Re: Mandated diversity statement drives Jonathan Haidt to quit academic society

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> There is no contradiction in being intolerant of intolerance. There is, because literally every viewpoint is an implicit repudiation of some set of values, ie. aka intolerance. The whole point of tolerance is the recognition of this fact and that resolving such differences requires dialogue (edit: resolving them without violence that is). As Popper said, only those views that directly incite violence or cannot be k…

> As Popper said, only those views that directly incite violence or cannot be kept in check by public opinion should be silenced But these days, it's become commonplace to equate words (or sometimes even silence) with violence.

Indeed, because tolerance has been a long held liberal value, and usurping it was a great way to push a more aggressive agenda.

Re: Mandated diversity statement drives Jonathan Haidt to quit academic society

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I read the whole thread up till now and did not see anyone supporting mandated DEI statements. So I’m posting to say that I do support them. In my experience at a couple of different learning institutions I’ve seen what I believe are positive changes that they’ve enabled. EDIT: I also support antiracist sentiments and policies. I’ve watched them make what I believe are significant positive impacts when I’ve employed…

I also support diversity statements when they are about the only type of diversity that matters - intellectual diversity.

Join me in making equal far-right representation on all campuses a reality.

(Only the 'join me' in the above is sarcasm)

Re: Mandated diversity statement drives Jonathan Haidt to quit academic society

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I am extremely glad I live in a country in continental Europe where this shit is unconstitutional and will be stricken down by the courts immediately (as will be any sort of preferential treatment of any minority in hiring or admissions). Hope it stays that way.

What do you think the writers of the constitution were aiming for when they made 'that shit unconstitutional'? Were they trying to advance equity, inclusion, and anti-racism?

They were trying to make sure the country I live in (which has more than 1 significant "traditional" minority) does not partition along ethnic lines by instituting differentiated treatment on the basis of ethnicity.

But thanks for bringing your bullshit, unapplicable anglo concepts to the entire world. We really appreciate it every time.

Re: Mandated diversity statement drives Jonathan Haidt to quit academic society

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The only issue with this is we can and have isolated clear mechanisms in which certain races are treated differently as compared to others (for example, names on resumes and interview rates, property assessments given a white looking household vs black looking household, pain management in hospitals for women of various races during childbirth, etc), and do I think it is fair to say that the expectation would be if t…

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Personally I'd be more concerned that people don't know that IQ tests are not a measure of intelligence, and that anyone who's claiming that differences in IQ across racial lines are evidence of racial intelligence differences is attempting to launder some racist bullshit.

Re: Mandated diversity statement drives Jonathan Haidt to quit academic society

#688

He’s right to do so. Statements that your research must be presented with a filter based on how it will advance political goals calls into question the integrity of all research. When people don’t “trust the science” this will be why. But further, I’d never seen the statement from antiracist before…wow. The idea that the only cure for discrimination is discrimination is akin to saying the only cure for violence is vi…

>The idea that the only cure for discrimination is discrimination is akin to saying the only cure for violence is violence. It’s abject insanity that such a notion is being advanced in society. Absolutely not. The idea that any of this is fixable with 'forgiveness' is far more insane. You can't undo hundreds of years of systematic disenfranchisement and subjugation with forgiveness - you have to discriminate in the o…

> You are free to compete with all the others,’ and still justly believe that you have been completely fair."

It's not fair. Neither is discriminating in the other direction because these people are not at fault for what their ancestors did, not to mention that affirmative action policies divide people along racial lines rather than the factor more relevant to today, class lines.

Ask yourself whether a black student with wealthy parents should benefit from preferential admissions to colleges over a white student from a poor background.

Re: Mandated diversity statement drives Jonathan Haidt to quit academic society

#689

He’s right to do so. Statements that your research must be presented with a filter based on how it will advance political goals calls into question the integrity of all research. When people don’t “trust the science” this will be why. But further, I’d never seen the statement from antiracist before…wow. The idea that the only cure for discrimination is discrimination is akin to saying the only cure for violence is vi…

>The idea that the only cure for discrimination is discrimination is akin to saying the only cure for violence is violence. It’s abject insanity that such a notion is being advanced in society. Absolutely not. The idea that any of this is fixable with 'forgiveness' is far more insane. You can't undo hundreds of years of systematic disenfranchisement and subjugation with forgiveness - you have to discriminate in the o…

if you care more about what happened hundreds of years ago (racism against group A) than what is happening now (racism against group B). you are part of the problem!

Re: Mandated diversity statement drives Jonathan Haidt to quit academic society

#690
There is misunderstanding & exaggeration felt by those who feel their identity is under attack.

In this instance a statement simply saying their research doesn't perpetuate discrimination !== mandating your research must do ___ whatever ___

if the research does somehow discriminate, simply not accepting it into this particular society or some conference doesn't wipe it off the face of the earth or send someone to woke jail.

no one is forcing you to accept concepts of diversity & inclusion worldviews.

or that recognizing and trying to correct real factual imbalances somehow means that the 'other' group must be treated worse or be discriminated against.

multiple recent WSJ editorials are super similar to this article.

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"‘Implicit Bias’ Training Cost Me My Nursing Job" [1]

the author argued that that training would have required her to 'discriminate.'

instead of the reality of a discussion highlighting the real, legitimate, and actually factual disparities of treatment and higher death rates of POC.

correcting imbalance !== actively treating white patients worse.

no one is mandating that we lower treatment quality to level the playing field. instead of trying to correct and raise everyone up!

btw a very common refrain: they knew this without actually taking the training?

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"The College Board’s Racial Pandering" [2]

Glossing over the weird argument that funding pre-k is somehow bad because test scores have remained stagnant.. hand waving away huge benefits, including for the economy, printed by the wall street journal!

Author makes another false equivalency and presents un truths.

The addition of a new AP course on afam studies does not somehow take away from remedial math & science classes.

No one is forcing students to take this class.

author claims some ambiguous liberal education propaganda machine is aiming to "turn students who haven't even learned to read and write into social-justice warriors"

what student who can't read are taking an AP level course?

Author even spends paragraphs writing about what he assumes will be taught even though he says himself he doesn't even have a syllabus.

he complains that the afam course will ignore jewish & asian discrimination!?!

what? 1: we don't know this. 2: even so, that's not the subject of the course!

his language like "pander to black kids" sends shivers down my spine.

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I love WSJ reporting.

But the anti-factual junk they are printing in their opeds makes it hard to read.

At least they are still labeling it oped, unlike fox news.

i've written to apple news so many times. they will put non-factual, non-reporting opinion on the news feed and not label it, presenting it as real news.

[1] https://www.wsj.com/articles/fired-from-my-nursing-job-for-r...

[2] https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-college-boards-racial-pande...

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