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Mandated diversity statement drives Jonathan Haidt to quit academic society
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#482My understand for how we measure systemic racism issues seems to typically be predicated on assumed outcomes. For example that if the distribution of employees race does not match the general population then there must be a systemic cause for this. What I don’t understand is why that is assumed true. If we want to encourage many different cultures to live together wouldn’t it naturally make sense that different cultu…
The only issue with this is we can and have isolated clear mechanisms in which certain races are treated differently as compared to others (for example, names on resumes and interview rates, property assessments given a white looking household vs black looking household, pain management in hospitals for women of various races during childbirth, etc), and do I think it is fair to say that the expectation would be if the system were truly unbiased that the proportion of people of different races in various roles would be about similar.
Obviously there are a lot of mechanisms that might change that equal expectation, but it still seems reasonable to me that for most jobs the default expectations should be around equal.
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#483Re: Mandated diversity statement drives Jonathan Haidt to quit academic society
#484My understand for how we measure systemic racism issues seems to typically be predicated on assumed outcomes. For example that if the distribution of employees race does not match the general population then there must be a systemic cause for this. What I don’t understand is why that is assumed true. If we want to encourage many different cultures to live together wouldn’t it naturally make sense that different cultu…
> How do you separate potential racism from cultural differences?
By conducting studies where you study the effect of the race variable. This has been done many times over in multiple countries and the results have shown that colored people and racial minorities are discriminated against. But despite the vast amount of empirical data, people still refuse to believe that racial discrimination is a factor in the job market.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-07-29/job-appli... https://www.jstor.org/stable/40276548 https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/lehr-2015-000...
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> How has Chomsky's strategy worked? It's worked incredibly well. The United States - the country with easily some of the most well protected free speech laws - continues to be one of the most diverse and welcoming countries in the world. It's one of the most desired places for people to immigrate to, and continues to have a large foreign born population. By comparison, look at how a single digit percentage influx of…
Thesis is that rational discourse would triumph over lunacy.
Did it?
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The white suprematists found it more effective not to explicitly state their ideological goals. There are plenty of academic legal societies very interested in “states’ rights”, “returning to the constitution”, “memorializing the Confederacy”, etc. I don’t see a important distinction between an explicit statement and dog-whistle so thinly veiled that everyone knows what it stands for.
> I don’t see a important distinction between an explicit statement and dog-whistle so thinly veiled that everyone knows what it stands for. That’s an interesting statement. I’ve personally attended a memorial ceremony hosted by the United Daughters of the Confederacy where a Black woman spoke for an hour about the conditions under which Blacks, both enslaved and free, existed in the Confederacy. She was a UDC member…
Yes, all communication channels have noise.
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I already can't commit to a master branch or have a master key, because reasons.
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Are you offended when someone expresses that they want to "master the art of pasta making?" The word 'master' has many meanings, only one of which relates to slavery; every color of people on the planet has practiced slavery at some point; your boogeyman white people stopped practicing it a century and a half ago; yet just the existence of the word prevents you from being able to push code to a repo. And you call other people snowflakes...
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CRT and gender studies should not be part of the high school curriculum in public schools and should not receive any sort of government funding in universities because at best they are pseudoscience. Private institutions not receiving government funding should teach whatever they like, including white nationalism. Discrimination based on race should either be allowed in all circumstances or disallowed in all circumst…
so "restricting freedom of speech in any way" really means it can be restricted in some cases. This was your definition, not mine. Again interesting that you consider discrimination based on race in all cases as an acceptable position equal to no discrimination based on race. The unequal enforcement bit would mean that white neighborhoods should be given the same level of enforcement as minority ones. Is that really…
I consider "restrictions of freedom of speech" justified only in the context of employment, during work hours, where said restriction directly influences your working output. If public school teachers want to teach woke pseudoscience on their own premises, during their off hours, using their own money, that's OK.
I have absolutely no problem with increasing policing in white neighborhoods. The risk to people who are not criminal lowlifes is not zero, but is negligible. And I place 0 weight on the lives and well-being of criminal lowlifes.
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> the idea that academics should never let their core beliefs impact their work isn't really realistic. I wanted to explore this a bit. Let's hypothesize that the academic is in some ISIL dominated region and the caliphate says that all research must further the goals of caliphate expansion and the spread of the religion. If an academic were to write an equivalent statement - is it their core belief, or are they simp…
As Haidt says, it's harmful to the extent that it contradicts the core telos of academic research, but I don't think it's so harmful that research becomes impossible. Quite a lot of foundational scientific work comes from medieval Christian and Muslim sources whose religious authorities executed people for heresy.
In terms of some outcomes, yes, the research can continue unhindered if they say "Hallowed are the Ori".
Personally I feel like it makes for a very poor work environment, so I sympathize with many who are put in that position. I would prefer it if they did not feel constrained by this type of environment, so that their best work would emerge.