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Mandated diversity statement drives Jonathan Haidt to quit academic society

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Post by 988747 »

boucher wrote: post #395
yakshaving_jgt wrote: post #308

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The question of course is then at what point do reparations end? My heritage is Polish. How much do the Germans owe me?

Germany paid Poland $8b in reparations in 1992: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_reparations

That wasn't reparations, that was retribution for slave labor for those forced to work in German factories. It's a start, but also about two orders of magnitude less than what Germany should pay, given the atrocities they committed in Poland. About 2-3 millions of civilians were killed during the whole war (and I mean ethnic Poles, not the Jews living in Poland, which are additional 3 millions victims)

Re: Mandated diversity statement drives Jonathan Haidt to quit academic society

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Post by Slava_Propanei »

lkrubner wrote: post #408
pessimizer wrote: post #309

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> No, they also need a platform to make people aware of their existence, their views, and to recast their censorship to be in their favour. The whole point of no-platforming individuals is to make a statement that their views are seen as reprehensible and to stop them from being able to air those views to an audience. The only way that this works is to exert total control of the content of all communications. Otherwi…

> You're talking about destroying freedom of association and expression in order to root out reprehensible people with the wrong values We all have a strong moral obligation to root out "reprehensible people with the wrong values." If you think otherwise then you don't understand what the word "reprehensible" means.

I think we have a strong moral obligation to root out reprehensible people with the power and desire to censor speech.

Re: Mandated diversity statement drives Jonathan Haidt to quit academic society

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Post by Slava_Propanei »

lkrubner wrote: post #437
montefischer wrote: post #420

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After you root out these reprehensible people, what do you suggest doing with them?

Shame them for their bad behavior.

Shaming people for defending themselves is not going to change their minds

Re: Mandated diversity statement drives Jonathan Haidt to quit academic society

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Post by namelessoracle »

tsol wrote: post #424
hackerlight wrote: post #360

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>I'm not saying that censorship is just or desirable. Just that it works. Does it though? Ideas are hard to kill. Just because you stop people from saying something in public, does not mean they aren't talking about it in private. In fact, oftentimes people even assume the thing you can't talk about must be really important or else they'd let you talk about it. And in turn, it holds more powerful and spreads further.…

The only time stopping viruses has ever worked is via vaccines. Exposing people to it and letting them build immunity to it.

Re: Mandated diversity statement drives Jonathan Haidt to quit academic society

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Post by curioushacking »

My understand for how we measure systemic racism issues seems to typically be predicated on assumed outcomes. For example that if the distribution of employees race does not match the general population then there must be a systemic cause for this.

What I don’t understand is why that is assumed true. If we want to encourage many different cultures to live together wouldn’t it naturally make sense that different cultures would have different outcomes in job preferences? How do you separate potential racism from cultural differences?

My fear is if there are strong cultural differences that lead to disparate racial outcomes so organizations will always be able to point out that systemic issues exist even when they may be eradicated. I don’t know how we measure this.

Re: Mandated diversity statement drives Jonathan Haidt to quit academic society

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Post by Slava_Propanei »

lkrubner wrote: post #436
sneak wrote: post #419

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Fundamental attribution error. There are no reprehensible people, there are only reprehensible deeds.

I envy your innocence, but sadly, the world has many reprehensible people in it.

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Re: Mandated diversity statement drives Jonathan Haidt to quit academic society

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Post by namelessoracle »

montefischer wrote: post #420
lkrubner wrote: post #408

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> You're talking about destroying freedom of association and expression in order to root out reprehensible people with the wrong values We all have a strong moral obligation to root out "reprehensible people with the wrong values." If you think otherwise then you don't understand what the word "reprehensible" means.

After you root out these reprehensible people, what do you suggest doing with them?

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Re: Mandated diversity statement drives Jonathan Haidt to quit academic society

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Post by Slava_Propanei »

curioushacking wrote: post #465

My understand for how we measure systemic racism issues seems to typically be predicated on assumed outcomes. For example that if the distribution of employees race does not match the general population then there must be a systemic cause for this. What I don’t understand is why that is assumed true. If we want to encourage many different cultures to live together wouldn’t it naturally make sense that different cultu…

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Re: Mandated diversity statement drives Jonathan Haidt to quit academic society

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Post by tgv »

joemazerino wrote: post #234

I for one welcome this change. The whole university system has for decades been built on a house of straw and the ideologues of DIE are dismantling it bit by bit. What structures we build next will surely be interesting.

Built on a house of straw? What are you trying to say?

Re: Mandated diversity statement drives Jonathan Haidt to quit academic society

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Post by pasquinelli »

rhaksw wrote: post #233
ZeroGravitas wrote: post #226

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That's not what I wrote. I said he was already a popular figure whose views should be publicly refuted. The fact that he later became a presidential contender isn't Yale's fault, but rather the unfortunate result of a lack of willingness to let the bad ideas see themselves out the door. > "Haters in the end bury themselves if you let them talk" - Jonathan Rauch https://youtu.be/E0T9XSG73kY?t=3083

I don't see a difference in what you just said and how the person you're replying to characterized what you said.
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