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Re: Immigration accounts for over 94% of Canada’s population growth in Q2 of 2022

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Post by Nomentatus »

chrisfosterelli wrote: post #79
xboxnolifes wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

healthcare availability, housing availability, and immigration rate are not related by population density, but by population growth and infrastructure growth. If your infrastructure growth doesn't outpace your population growth, it doesn't matter how dense or not dense your country is.

Our infrastructure is constrained because of systemic policy decisions, not because we can't practically grow it fast enough. These policy constraints would become significantly more painful under a declining, aging population. For healthcare, we don't pay our GPs enough and we overwork them. Physicians have been either leaving the profession or moving into non-GP roles (specialists, etc). Since healthcare is taxpaye…

Things could always be more efficient; but the housing shortage is now Canada wide, throughout jurisdictions. It's systemic, pretty much everywhere. You're right that letting low birthrate rule has problems (see Japan) but not such extreme ones, impoverishing so many.

Re: Immigration accounts for over 94% of Canada’s population growth in Q2 of 2022

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Post by Nomentatus »

Pasorrijer wrote: post #118
wpdev_63 wrote: post #90

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Why must we compare ourselves to 3rd world countries that have terrible quality of life issues? Maybe the canadian economy isn't able to support a decent quality of life and these population levels. Seriously go visit these countries these people are from and ask yourself, would you like canada to turn into this?! Let's be honest with ourselves. Don't worry you can just label me a racist and devolve the argument arou…

Have you met any first or second generation Canadians? Yes, people bring their culture and their traditions. And by the time you get 1 or 2 generations down, aside from a few different holidays Canada's school system has done a fairly good job of normalizing the population. Immigration is a major source of Canadian talent and innovation... A lot of the systemic issues around larger populations aren't related to immig…

Depends where you are. I thought this until I lived in Toronto, and met many third generation Canadians with distinct accents.

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Post by foogazi »

rjzzleep wrote: post #139
notadev wrote: post #119

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We’re not allowed to have an American identity. Trying to cling to traditions is considered a conservative thing and thus inherently racist. American can only be defined by her failures, and any attempt to point out the successes is considered whitewashing history or something. There were a number of places that sought to, or outright skipped, the Independence Day celebration this year. It’s now totally normal for so…

Little misunderstanding here. I'm not saying that the USA doesn't have a national identity, because it clearly does. What I'm saying is that because it is an entirely manufactured one, it is therefore predestined for conflict. One of the bigger conflicts that societies have is that as they move from whatever traditional identity have they have find a set of common values that still makes for a common goal.

> One of the bigger conflicts that societies have is that as they move from whatever traditional identity have they have find a set of common values that still makes for a common goal.

Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness

What more could one ask for?

Re: Immigration accounts for over 94% of Canada’s population growth in Q2 of 2022

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Post by chrisfosterelli »

Nomentatus wrote: post #171
chrisfosterelli wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Our infrastructure is constrained because of systemic policy decisions, not because we can't practically grow it fast enough. These policy constraints would become significantly more painful under a declining, aging population. For healthcare, we don't pay our GPs enough and we overwork them. Physicians have been either leaving the profession or moving into non-GP roles (specialists, etc). Since healthcare is taxpaye…

Things could always be more efficient; but the housing shortage is now Canada wide, throughout jurisdictions. It's systemic, pretty much everywhere. You're right that letting low birthrate rule has problems (see Japan) but not such extreme ones, impoverishing so many.

> but the housing shortage is now Canada wide, throughout jurisdictions

Yes. That's what I mean by "systemic" too. The housing policy problems are a result of incentives and the same incentives exist across municipalities in Canada. Municipalities also don't exist in isolation; for example as Vancouver prices out people they move to nearby areas like Kelowna and exacerbate the problem there.

It's not a simple matter of efficiency. The bureaucracy is a symptom of the incentive structure. Councils have the vast majority of control over new buildings and they're not incentivized to approve them. Councils are mostly homeowners and are voted in by mostly homeowners, who mostly don't want to see their neighbourhoods change or the price of their single detached homes decrease.

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Post by wenc »

TMWNN wrote: post #117
3qz wrote: post #4

Canada has an immigration rate 10x the rate of the US but any discussion of lowering this is considered racist. I have a top 5% income but I will never own a house in my life and can’t access a family doctor. We have way too many people! The population is expected to be 50% foreign born or children of immigrants by 2040 and it’s already majority foreign born in our biggest cities. I honestly don’t expect this country…

>can’t access a family doctor. To provide context to others, an amazingly high portion of Canadians don't have a family doctor https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/despite-more-doctors-many-cana... >. In Atlantic Canada (the four easternmost provinces) it is impossible, repeat *impossible*, to get a family doctor if you don't have one https://www.thetelegram.com/in-depth/doctor-shortage/what-we... >. It's one thing to have…

Thanks for the info. I lived in Ontario for over a decade, and Quebec for half a decade. There were grumblings about a shortage of family doctors even when I was there a decade ago, but I never had any trouble finding a family doctor in the GTA. But it sounds like the situation is quite different in BC and elsewhere.

I'm guessing it's partly a function of where family doctors like to settle? Most of my friends who are family doctors end up in Ontario.

Also, in Ontario, Nurse Practitioners (who often work in partnership with a physician) are able to provide equally good primary care, so the system is actually quite scalable if you're not strictly looking for MDs. In the US, physician assistants and medical assistants often provide primary care. In Canada NPs often fill that role.

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Post by pseudo0 »

philistine wrote: post #164
pseudo0 wrote: post #148

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This is a pretty misleading stat. It appears to be counting people who immigrate at a young age and are then trained in the Canadian system. That isn't expanding the pool of healthcare workers, unless there were somehow a shortage of applicants. That absolutely is not the case for physicians, where every year the med school applicants vastly exceed the number of spots. So what should really be counted is foreign-trai…

Yeas, exactly. Otherwise this shows the real problem with the health sector; it is undervalued, underpaid and thus requires cheap labor with less accrued wealth to maintain its labour force.

Canadian doctors and nurses do fine financially, but there aren't enough of them because Canadian healthcare is a command economy. The government sets a total cost it is willing to pay for healthcare and then sets the number of positions for doctors and nurses based on that budget, not market demand. That's how Canada is in the insane position of being a first world country where 15% of the population doesn't have a family doctor.

Retirement or nursing homes are a different story, and aren't particularly flattering for GP's point. Those do heavily rely on temporary foreign workers (TFWs) or recent immigrants paid around minimum wage, and the quality of care reflects that. There have been numerous scandals in the last couple years during COVID regarding substandard care, with seniors not receiving food/water or being left in their own feces for days. It shouldn't be surprising when bare minimum pay results in substandard outcomes, and the ability of employers to bring in TFWs prevents wages from rising according to market forces.

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Post by orangepurple »

pcbro141 wrote: post #131
cycrutchfield wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know exactly what that word is referring to.

Most likely aggrieved the immigrants are nonwhite and spouting Great Replacement Theory. I just wanted to see if they were brave enough to say it.

You misunderstood. I am referring to the replacement of Canadian culture. There is no hope of integration with such a high rate of immigration.

Re: Immigration accounts for over 94% of Canada’s population growth in Q2 of 2022

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Post by cycrutchfield »

orangepurple wrote: post #177
pcbro141 wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most likely aggrieved the immigrants are nonwhite and spouting Great Replacement Theory. I just wanted to see if they were brave enough to say it.

You misunderstood. I am referring to the replacement of Canadian culture. There is no hope of integration with such a high rate of immigration.

I don’t think they misunderstood you at all
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