I've been watching some geopolitical strategists on YouTube. They seem to be expecting a collapse of the global world order. This means they need to flood North America with fresh labor to compensate for the loss of global labor or inefficiency of doing business in a war-torn international climate. Also, the demographics are bad in the first world. Low birth rates and an aging population. I would not be surprised if…
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Immigration accounts for over 94% of Canada’s population growth in Q2 of 2022
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Re: Immigration accounts for over 94% of Canada’s population growth in Q2 of 2022
#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
> We have way too many people! We're one of the least densely populated countries in the world with one of the lowest birth rates in the world. If you don't think immigration makes sense for cultural reasons that's fine, but with respect to healthcare and housing don't be under any illusion -- reducing immigration would exacerbate these issues by giving us an even more heavily aging population.
Total population means less than growth rate. The country may be sparsely populated but construction is the main bottleneck. It’s hard to spit out hundreds of high rises quickly enough.
Construction is the bottleneck because nothing ever gets approved, and when it does it takes years, and nobody who makes decisions is incentivized to fix this. It's not primarily because we can't physically build fast enough (although COVID has made this more notable lately, that's fair). The incentives for this situation get worse with an aging population because we lose working age people who can work construction.
Re: Immigration accounts for over 94% of Canada’s population growth in Q2 of 2022
#113Most of them are being thrown into the entry job that people are claiming "couldn't be filled anyways". I remember hunting for my first job as a teenager and it was pretty difficult, not a lot of openings, even less willing to take someone with zero experience. I'm not even that old, that was maybe 7-8 years ago. Many of these locations have a bias in their hiring as well, they gift their family and friends positions…
Can you even hire teenagers anymore? Is it still common for teenagers to work (outside of internships)? I can’t say I ever knew anyone who worked before university and in my school some teachers actively discouraged it. (I went to high school in Canada in the early 2010s). Although the hiring bias makes sense. Of course you choose relatives over strangers so that the money stays in the family.
Around here in Minnesota (Lower Canada) they’re now advertising down to 14(!!)
Re: Immigration accounts for over 94% of Canada’s population growth in Q2 of 2022
#114true story I honestly considered emigrating from the us to Canada as a diesel engine mechanic when I was a greenhorn. Kirkland lake, a mining company, flew me up for two weeks to see things in their repair pool and even offered relocation. from my observation blue collar work in Alberta at least is seen as equal or better than white collar. you're treated sincerely and honestly at the job site and there is real respe…
Good news! You don’t have to pledge allegiance to the Queen anymore.
Jokes aside there can be real implications of citizenship that people should be aware of, such as military service, taxes, and more. It’s not to be done lightly.
Re: Immigration accounts for over 94% of Canada’s population growth in Q2 of 2022
#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why must we compare ourselves to 3rd world countries that have terrible quality of life issues? Maybe the canadian economy isn't able to support a decent quality of life and these population levels. Seriously go visit these countries these people are from and ask yourself, would you like canada to turn into this?! Let's be honest with ourselves. Don't worry you can just label me a racist and devolve the argument arou…
Do you consider the United Kingdom, France, Japan, the United States, and Germany third world countries? These are all examples of countries with more density than us. We have similar density to Kazakhstan, Bolivia, Turkmenistan, Chad, and Libya. Density is not the direct determinant for a decent quality of life.
>Do you consider the United Kingdom, France, Japan, the United States, and Germany third world countries?
Ahh here comes the part where you call me a racist and immediately think your morally superior to everyone else in the thread lol.
Your trying making equivalence between western 1st nations that share most of the cultural values that exist in Canada vs 3rd world poor nations with population numbers higher than the whole north american continent that we should immediately treat the same otherwise it would be racist.
Re: Immigration accounts for over 94% of Canada’s population growth in Q2 of 2022
#116Canada built an exquisite society and is now handing out the benefits to whoever asks.
Are you unaware of the relatively strict requirements for immigration to Canada? Go ahead, see if you would make the cut: https://www.y-axis.com/skilledimmigrationpointscalculator/ca...
Re: Immigration accounts for over 94% of Canada’s population growth in Q2 of 2022
#117Canada has an immigration rate 10x the rate of the US but any discussion of lowering this is considered racist. I have a top 5% income but I will never own a house in my life and can’t access a family doctor. We have way too many people! The population is expected to be 50% foreign born or children of immigrants by 2040 and it’s already majority foreign born in our biggest cities. I honestly don’t expect this country…
>can’t access a family doctor.
To provide context to others, an amazingly high portion of Canadians don't have a family doctor https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/despite-more-doctors-many-cana...>. In Atlantic Canada (the four easternmost provinces) it is impossible, repeat *impossible*, to get a family doctor if you don't have one https://www.thetelegram.com/in-depth/doctor-shortage/what-we...>. It's one thing to have shortages in rural areas—that happens in the US too—but Halifax?!? I've heard the same occurs in Vancouver too.
Re: Immigration accounts for over 94% of Canada’s population growth in Q2 of 2022
#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
> We have way too many people! We're one of the least densely populated countries in the world with one of the lowest birth rates in the world. If you don't think immigration makes sense for cultural reasons that's fine, but with respect to healthcare and housing don't be under any illusion -- reducing immigration would exacerbate these issues by giving us an even more heavily aging population.
Why must we compare ourselves to 3rd world countries that have terrible quality of life issues? Maybe the canadian economy isn't able to support a decent quality of life and these population levels. Seriously go visit these countries these people are from and ask yourself, would you like canada to turn into this?! Let's be honest with ourselves. Don't worry you can just label me a racist and devolve the argument arou…
Have you met any first or second generation Canadians? Yes, people bring their culture and their traditions. And by the time you get 1 or 2 generations down, aside from a few different holidays Canada's school system has done a fairly good job of normalizing the population.
Immigration is a major source of Canadian talent and innovation... A lot of the systemic issues around larger populations aren't related to immigration, as others noted, but to short sighted, "get me elected" policies for our political "leaders".
Re: Immigration accounts for over 94% of Canada’s population growth in Q2 of 2022
#119Canada has an immigration rate 10x the rate of the US but any discussion of lowering this is considered racist. I have a top 5% income but I will never own a house in my life and can’t access a family doctor. We have way too many people! The population is expected to be 50% foreign born or children of immigrants by 2040 and it’s already majority foreign born in our biggest cities. I honestly don’t expect this country…
The thing that gets me about the US and Canada is that those countries don't even have an ethnic population to begin with. The ethnic population was put into camps and then replaced by a bunch of Europeans for a bunch of different countries to begin with. Germany losing its national identity I can follow. France losing its national identity I can follow as well, although my sympathies are somewhat limited given the c…
We’re not allowed to have an American identity. Trying to cling to traditions is considered a conservative thing and thus inherently racist. American can only be defined by her failures, and any attempt to point out the successes is considered whitewashing history or something.
There were a number of places that sought to, or outright skipped, the Independence Day celebration this year. It’s now totally normal for some people to find the US flag “problematic” and itself a sign of oppression.
Re: Immigration accounts for over 94% of Canada’s population growth in Q2 of 2022
#120Similar situation in New Zealand. The reasons are pretty similar
1. It benefits big business. It's an absolute god send for labour intensive industries to have a constantly growing pool of employees. Especially if they're from places with a worse standard of living, so they're likely to accept much lower working conditions and pay.
2. It benefits real estate speculation. Housing construction simply cannot keep up in demand, and the richest people in our respective countries have a real estate heavy portfolio. Migrants trickle into city centres, which means big construction projects as high density housing is built, as well as the knock on effective of the native born population migrating to new suburbs that get to be built from the ground up.
3. You get to feel warm and fuzzy inside. Diversity, inclusion, different foods etc etc. If native born people pay higher rents, are served by increasingly overcapacity infrastructure, and have their wages suppressed by increased competition - well they're just immoral and can be brow-beaten into accepting policies that are ultimately in place to benefit the rich.