OpenStreepMap 2012 vs. 2022 • Hacker News Board

Re: OpenStreepMap 2012 vs. 2022

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Post by cjensen » Sat, Oct 01, 2022, 6:03 PM UTC

zaik wrote: post #160

cjensen wrote: post #159

OpenStreetMap is very very good. In many ways, I prefer it to Apple and Google. But the 2022 version suffers from a number of issues that Google and Apple are both suffering from recently: a lack of focus on who this map is for . Is this map ornamental? Or is it for driving? Walking? Finding tourist locations? What is it for? One of the obvious changes in OSM between 2012 and 2022 is the addition of building footprin…

Can you point to any street names which have been removed? It's important to remember that OpenStreetMap is primarily a database and the rendered tiles you see on this page are secondary. Data consumers can decide individually whether they want to display a map for cyclists, pedestrians etc. For example, on the official homepage you will also find tiles rendered for cyclists. The important thing is that the data is t…

Not removed. Simply not visible at certain zoom levels. The render does a trade-off between what it can show. When they chose to add building footprints, it removed street names

Re: OpenStreepMap 2012 vs. 2022

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Post by mvexel » Sat, Oct 01, 2022, 6:08 PM UTC

int_19h wrote: post #154

mvexel wrote: post #40

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I maintain a website called MapRoulette which is not pure gamification but breaks down map contributions into small tasks. It has some elements of gamification (badges, leaderboard). For more task-based editing with gamification elements check out StreetComplete, an Android app.

The concept is great, but the map on the site is very buggy on the desktop (Edge 105). Trying to zoom in with mouse wheel, it often randomly zooms out and in again. Trying to pan when dragging while zoomed in and near task markers, it will often pan back after releasing the mouse, and in one case, I've seen it pan back and forth between two points on the map in what looks like an infinite loop. It seems that it's try…

Thanks for trying it out! Yes, the map UI has a number of known issues, some of which you pointed out. We're actually working on addressing the most annoying ones right now! I hope to have them addressed in the October / November release.

Re: OpenStreepMap 2012 vs. 2022

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Post by davchana » Sat, Oct 01, 2022, 9:43 PM UTC

alt227 wrote: post #117

everybodyknows wrote: post #87

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Try thinking of it as work done to help other real people. I found the "Emergency" door of a local hospital hard to find IRL, so I added a photo of it from the driveway POV. Another sort of real person you can help are the web-clueless owners of local small businesses.

Instead of supplying a mega corp with some free information to increase their monopoly on directions, maybe you could have just mentioned to the hospital staff that they could do with a new sign pointing to the door?

Most of the the you see actual staff in a big organization, like hospital or government office etc do not have authority to add or remove signage. Most of the time its somebody in admin, or even a totally different department in case of government offices (to keep all locations similar) who is actually responsible. That doesn't mean that one should not give feedback, I do, & at least half of the the time it makes a difference.

Re: OpenStreepMap 2012 vs. 2022

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Post by cinntaile » Sun, Oct 02, 2022, 12:58 AM UTC

cinntaile wrote: post #11

OSM doesn't have a layer with just satelite images like Google maps has, does there exist any alternative here?

Very reasonable to downvote a regular question lol.

Re: OpenStreepMap 2012 vs. 2022

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Post by matkoniecz » Sun, Oct 02, 2022, 12:26 PM UTC

betamaxthetape wrote: post #127

JeremyNT wrote: post #110

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This thing is so much fun! I love wandering around a new area and filling in the details. One thing I wish it had was the ability to add an entirely new building. I'm currently living in a town that is experiencing massive growth and I'll often see a structure that's still a vacant lot on osm, and I don't think you can add it with StreetComplete.

The easiest thing to do for such cases is to add a note, perhaps with a picture of the building if you're comfortable. There must be folk who dedicate their time to searching the OSM database for unresolved notes, because whenever I leave a note on StreetComplete mentioning an inaccuracy (e.g: a path where there isn't actually one, a driveway marked incorrectly as a road, etc.) I get an email alert a few days later n…

I am one of such people (I do this partially to catch problems in StreetComplete design).

So thanks for leaving notes allowing remote fixing!

Re: OpenStreepMap 2012 vs. 2022

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Post by matkoniecz » Sun, Oct 02, 2022, 12:32 PM UTC

diggernet wrote: post #126

mvexel wrote: post #89

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The statement is at least partly true. Nearly all big corporations and many smaller ones have people on the payroll contributing to OSM. And there are entire countries where paid / commercial editing makes up the majority of contributions to OSM. See this post from last year that breaks it down: https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Jennings%20Anderson/diary... .

Hang on... I can get paid to edit OSM instead of just doing it for fun? Where do we find those jobs?

This is typically offered as minimum wage job in poor countries.

For example one company caused noticeable damage as UK was mapped by people from Belarus who were unaware about many local intricacies.

Re: OpenStreepMap 2012 vs. 2022

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Post by matkoniecz » Sun, Oct 02, 2022, 12:35 PM UTC

teddyh wrote: post #187

yaddaor wrote: post #118

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Or do, if you want to monetarily support the developers in a convenient way.

If by “support” you mean “get nagged about the ‘pro’ version incessantly”.

By support they meant buying Pro version.

Re: OpenStreepMap 2012 vs. 2022

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Post by matkoniecz » Sun, Oct 02, 2022, 12:37 PM UTC

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #119

cavisne wrote: post #48

It’s interesting to look at the local edits on osm. In my area it’s mostly from Amazon and Lyft, based on proprietary imagery.

There's a few ways for volunteers to trace proprietary imagery and data into OSM with the permission of the owners of the images. I'm guessing you're talking about private, proprietary imagery?

Yes, some paid mappers use own internal data.

Re: OpenStreepMap 2012 vs. 2022

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Post by yaddaor » Mon, Oct 03, 2022, 8:19 AM UTC

teddyh wrote: post #187

yaddaor wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or do, if you want to monetarily support the developers in a convenient way.

If by “support” you mean “get nagged about the ‘pro’ version incessantly”.

I did not have any nagging im the version I bought.

Re: OpenStreepMap 2012 vs. 2022

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Post by rmc » Wed, Oct 05, 2022, 7:47 AM UTC

GeorgeHoneywood wrote: post #111

A while ago I made something a bit like this, but it is an animation of all the years between 2007 and now. https://maps.honeyfox.uk/ It only works in my town in the UK, so don't try scrolling the map too much.

That's awesome