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Immigration accounts for over 94% of Canada’s population growth in Q2 of 2022

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Re: Immigration accounts for over 94% of Canada’s population growth in Q2 of 2022

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Post by kingofpandora »

gxt wrote: post #86
3qz wrote: post #4

Canada has an immigration rate 10x the rate of the US but any discussion of lowering this is considered racist. I have a top 5% income but I will never own a house in my life and can’t access a family doctor. We have way too many people! The population is expected to be 50% foreign born or children of immigrants by 2040 and it’s already majority foreign born in our biggest cities. I honestly don’t expect this country…

Put me in the same bucket. And in Quebec the extreme-left party (QS) is promoting religious sectarianism in schools, in favor of political indoctrination of children. There are also unashamed communists promoting war in Montreal, just today there was a dude flying the soviet flag on a bike while I was getting coffee, and nothing can be done it about otherwise --> Jail. Contemporary Canada has only existed for 50 year…

> There are also unashamed communists promoting war in Montreal, just today there was a dude flying the soviet flag on a bike while I was getting coffee, and nothing can be done it about otherwise --> Jail.

Out of curiosity, what would you like to do to the bike-rider that would land you in jail?

Re: Immigration accounts for over 94% of Canada’s population growth in Q2 of 2022

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Post by orwin »

LAC-Tech wrote: post #159
oatmeal_croc wrote: post #158

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I'd say no. For thousands of years, we've been the colonisees, not the colonisers.

If you'd been colonised for thousands of years your group would not exist anymore. The fact your group - which you are being very coy about - still does exist, suggest that not only have you not been continuously colonised for thousands of years, but that you've probably colonised and absorbed some of your neighbours.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. India is really complex. More than any country on earth. Sinhalese in Sri Lanka never colonized anyone as far as I'm aware, and since you have at least a dozen ethnicities across India, i wouldn't be surprised if some never colonized anyone.

Re: Immigration accounts for over 94% of Canada’s population growth in Q2 of 2022

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Post by orwin »

version_five wrote: post #7
cycrutchfield wrote: post #6

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So build more houses and train more doctors then? Seems weird to hate on immigrants and say your country is overpopulated (it isn’t)

This sort of reactive anti-intellectual "hate on immigrants" response is exactly what seems to happen whenever somebody suggests that unchecked immigration is not the only way.

Canada don't have unchecked immigration. I'd even say that the poor choice their quota are set on is a detriment to their building capabilities.

Re: Immigration accounts for over 94% of Canada’s population growth in Q2 of 2022

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Post by philistine »

pseudo0 wrote: post #148
goatsi wrote: post #71

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Healthcare would be much worse without immigrants. In Canada, immigrants make up 23% of registered nurses 35% of nurse aides and related occupations 37% of pharmacists 36% of physicians 39% of dentists https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/ca...

This is a pretty misleading stat. It appears to be counting people who immigrate at a young age and are then trained in the Canadian system. That isn't expanding the pool of healthcare workers, unless there were somehow a shortage of applicants. That absolutely is not the case for physicians, where every year the med school applicants vastly exceed the number of spots. So what should really be counted is foreign-trai…

Yeas, exactly. Otherwise this shows the real problem with the health sector; it is undervalued, underpaid and thus requires cheap labor with less accrued wealth to maintain its labour force.

Re: Immigration accounts for over 94% of Canada’s population growth in Q2 of 2022

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Post by wpdev_63 »

Pasorrijer wrote: post #118
wpdev_63 wrote: post #90

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Why must we compare ourselves to 3rd world countries that have terrible quality of life issues? Maybe the canadian economy isn't able to support a decent quality of life and these population levels. Seriously go visit these countries these people are from and ask yourself, would you like canada to turn into this?! Let's be honest with ourselves. Don't worry you can just label me a racist and devolve the argument arou…

Have you met any first or second generation Canadians? Yes, people bring their culture and their traditions. And by the time you get 1 or 2 generations down, aside from a few different holidays Canada's school system has done a fairly good job of normalizing the population. Immigration is a major source of Canadian talent and innovation... A lot of the systemic issues around larger populations aren't related to immig…

I didn't say anything about culturism in that comment.

My point still stands that the problems of overpopulation in the countries these people are from is just going to bring that problem to canada. The economy cannot support them.

Canadians today aren't having children so why are we bringing these people in? How is this in anyway moral?

Re: Immigration accounts for over 94% of Canada’s population growth in Q2 of 2022

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Post by Pasorrijer »

wpdev_63 wrote: post #165
Pasorrijer wrote: post #118

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Have you met any first or second generation Canadians? Yes, people bring their culture and their traditions. And by the time you get 1 or 2 generations down, aside from a few different holidays Canada's school system has done a fairly good job of normalizing the population. Immigration is a major source of Canadian talent and innovation... A lot of the systemic issues around larger populations aren't related to immig…

I didn't say anything about culturism in that comment. My point still stands that the problems of overpopulation in the countries these people are from is just going to bring that problem to canada. The economy cannot support them. Canadians today aren't having children so why are we bringing these people in? How is this in anyway moral?

I don't understand how using phrases like "these people" doesn't bring culturism into the conversation. You clearly stated that "these people bring that problem to Canada", implying that their culture is the primary problem and that culture will be travelling with them to Canada.

As for the economy not being able to support them, I think this statement ignores the fact that every immigrant that meets Canada's criteria brings some useful skill. We immigrate farmers, doctors, nurses, engineers, lawyers. All of whom add to the economy in a way that, generally, expands the economy to support their presence.

Now, we have major policy mismatches, where trained individuals cannot work in their field due to obscure policies and regulations, but that's tied to misguided national policies that exist independently of individual immigrants.

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Post by gxt »

kingofpandora wrote: post #161
gxt wrote: post #86

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Put me in the same bucket. And in Quebec the extreme-left party (QS) is promoting religious sectarianism in schools, in favor of political indoctrination of children. There are also unashamed communists promoting war in Montreal, just today there was a dude flying the soviet flag on a bike while I was getting coffee, and nothing can be done it about otherwise --> Jail. Contemporary Canada has only existed for 50 year…

> There are also unashamed communists promoting war in Montreal, just today there was a dude flying the soviet flag on a bike while I was getting coffee, and nothing can be done it about otherwise --> Jail. Out of curiosity, what would you like to do to the bike-rider that would land you in jail?

So your question is What would I like to do to someone who asks to boycott elections, and start a violent revolution to impose an autocratic government that has in history killed millions by war and famine?

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Post by dixie_land »

cycrutchfield wrote: post #48
dixie_land wrote: post #29

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Chinese buyers would simply buy them all with cash and rent the, back to you

That’s cool, build more of them then and pocket the cash. Free money and property taxes for your local economy. Is “Chinese buyers” supposed to sound scary or something? Honestly this reeks of xenophobia.

It's just a fact. Vancouver is the favorite place for corrupt party officials to park their money in real estate.

Re: Immigration accounts for over 94% of Canada’s population growth in Q2 of 2022

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Post by _8j50 »

nine_k wrote: post #156
_8j50 wrote: post #145

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No, the amount of people isn't the issue, but why did you pick those places? Sounds like you don't like people from there? And it also sounds like you don't have a grasp on just how broken and messed up USCIS is.

I picked the less well-off regions of the world; immigration is almost universally from poorer places to richer places. No, I don't mind more immigrants, the US was built by immigrants, and I do remember what's written on the statue of Liberty. Ellis Island stopped accepting immigrants so easily though.

Ok, so allowing people isn't the problem. It is very cruel in how it separates families, skilled workers come to the US but have an unstable future, it is too hard to get H1B for example even when you are in demand. Once they get h1b if they work a few years and are valuable to the company and US economy they should get permanent residency. Same with top scoring students that manage to land US based jobs as well people who immigrate on a business Visa (they should get H1B after working in the US for a while).

There should be strict enforcement of immigration laws at the southern border. It is not fair for other immigranrs if you bypass the whole process and just walk in. No need foe cruelty, just a lifetime ban on working or engaging in commerce as well as a ban from the immigration process entirely (you will never become an american). If they have children or give birth on US soil the restricrion still applies to the children but instead of deportation you move them to restricted border settlements where they are given a few years to migrate back. Aiding illegal migration should be a felony as well but migrating itseld should not be a crime.

If you become an american then your family should easily get a green card and come over as well.

You should also know basic english and able to contribute to the US economy before you are allowed to migrate regardless of sponsorship.

It really needs an overhaul to meet the needs and realities of today.

Re: Immigration accounts for over 94% of Canada’s population growth in Q2 of 2022

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Post by kingofpandora »

gxt wrote: post #167
kingofpandora wrote: post #161

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> There are also unashamed communists promoting war in Montreal, just today there was a dude flying the soviet flag on a bike while I was getting coffee, and nothing can be done it about otherwise --> Jail. Out of curiosity, what would you like to do to the bike-rider that would land you in jail?

So your question is What would I like to do to someone who asks to boycott elections, and start a violent revolution to impose an autocratic government that has in history killed millions by war and famine?

Sure. We're exploring your fantasies here.
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