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Re: Ask HN: Microsoft SmartScreen is destroying our business

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Post by indrora »

int_19h wrote: post #179
ok123456 wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It made Microsoft sweat pretty good in the late-90s. They had to behave a little better, but not doing anything too anti-competitive, during a critical juncture of the internet's growth and adoption, while the anti-trust proceedings dragged on. Just because there was no AT&T style divestiture at the end, doesn't mean there were no positive externalities.

I think the biggest thing that came out of that anti-trust case is the publishing of specs for various file formats and protocols used by Microsoft software.

And the duplication of... about two dozen string routines, from what I've been able to find.

The actual rendering engine was left to Windows (and to anyone who was using it, like AOL), the shell was left to IE to continue wrapping around it, and a few more things.

Re: Ask HN: Microsoft SmartScreen is destroying our business

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Post by simooooo »

This happened to me too because a subdomain was the same as a popular product brand name. This was kicked off by chrome/google, then feed through to smart screen. Which took a few days to sort out. Had to claim the domain on google search tools and find the reason

Re: Ask HN: Microsoft SmartScreen is destroying our business

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Post by t0bia_s »

_hl_ wrote: post #113
t0bia_s wrote: post #44

Similar thing happen to me. My OneDrive links that I share with clients end in their email spam folder. It took mi few weeks before I realized that few clients was still waiting for my work, because they did not have it in inbox. I know that it is problem of email providers, but still I would like to leave OneDrive, but I cannot find alternative that is in similar price range as OneDrive (about 2 USD/month for 1TB).

If it's for clients, does it really matter whether you're spending $2 or $5 or $10 a month?

Yes, I'm one-man-band, not a company.

Re: Ask HN: Microsoft SmartScreen is destroying our business

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Post by raverbashing »

dboreham wrote: post #17
floren wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See: spam blacklists

My own experience was with Wells Fargo, where I conduct quite a bit of business, but they still treated me like a criminal because their dumb AI thought that "I don't often initiate wire transfers online" and "my voice didn't sound like my age".

> "my voice didn't sound like my age".

Which actually should be a desirable characteristic as it is an unique identifier, but it kinda makes sense with so many 'lulzhackers' out there (not that I think this is the reason - I do attribute these issues mostly to incompetence)

Re: Ask HN: Microsoft SmartScreen is destroying our business

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Post by FateOfNations »

rsync wrote: post #165

Where can I go to test what "smartscreen" thinks of a particular URL ? I am neither a "smartscreen" nor even a Microsoft customer - is it possible for me to see what they think of a particular domain/adress/URL ?

Go to the website in Microsoft Edge and see what happens. If there's a SmartScreen issue, you will be given a warning message.

Re: Ask HN: Microsoft SmartScreen is destroying our business

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Post by pmarreck »

tacon wrote: post #89
pmarreck wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am currently in a 3 day Facebook ban because I posted an NIH (National Institute of Health, peak legitimacy right here) link which was meant to help someone understand something. Unfortunately, the medical procedure it covered thumbnailed down (in the generated preview) to a fairly graphic photo of a woman's private parts being operated on... and that resulted in an uncontestable instaban. No humans can be reached…

After the post, there is a button to remove the preview. Is that available before posting? Or would immediately removing the preview avoid the ban? Just wondering...

The ban was instant, mid-post. I didn’t even get to see the preview before the ban!

Re: Ask HN: Microsoft SmartScreen is destroying our business

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Post by pmarreck »

Aeolun wrote: post #188
tacon wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After the post, there is a button to remove the preview. Is that available before posting? Or would immediately removing the preview avoid the ban? Just wondering...

Why’d you get banned over a preview that Facebook decides to show? Apparently they’re aware it’s graphic enough that they can ban you for it.

That’s a very good question

Re: Ask HN: Microsoft SmartScreen is destroying our business

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Post by ratg13 »

yamtaddle wrote: post #57
Quarrelsome wrote: post #11

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> Does it hurt Microsoft in any way to answer those tickets with "no, your site is participating in a phishing campaign"? And maybe tell the OP how, so that he can clean the malicious material? Ye, it tells bad actors how the detection system works.

This is why well-regarded justice systems don't disclose anything about why they arrested someone and are jailing them indefinitely. It'd give criminals too much of an edge otherwise, and would surely be unworkable and lead to violent anarchy in short order.

Your tounge-in-cheek argument is focused on the wrong point.

Microsoft has no idea that you own the domain when you contact them, you are just a concerned party reaching out to them.. you could be the site owner, you could be the criminal that planted the payload.

Until it gets to the point where it is determined that you are the owner, they are correct to not give out sensitive information to random people that decide to e-mail them.

Re: Ask HN: Microsoft SmartScreen is destroying our business

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Post by cdaringe »

aetherspawn wrote: post #172
rjc wrote: post #54

I'm so sick and tired of businesses abusing my trust and/or not publishing their security breaches that I'm using plus ('+') email addresses everywhere, i.e.: my_account+site_address@example.org for regular interactions, or: my_account+site_address-current_date@example.org for one-off interactions. Won't help with historical abuses/data breaches but it'll certainly be invaluable in the future.

I started doing the same years ago and nothing came out of it. Most spam I got subscribed to, seemed to get my details some other way (or sanitised my email).

Same. I still do, but 90% of the spam that actually lands is due to a biz I legitimately gave info to illegitimately sharing it with others

Re: Ask HN: Microsoft SmartScreen is destroying our business

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Post by LawTalkingGuy »

_8j50 wrote: post #176
noAnswer wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's like someone messed with your car tank and tires and the police stop you from driving it because it is unsafe to other drivers, they are not punishing you but protecting other people from being hurt by your property. The police says why they stopped you though! Which implies what you have to change in order to be able to drive again. They will not say "you have to figure it out on your own or the guys who mess…

Yes, because the police serve you but MS serves its customers and even the police will not diagnose your car for you, they might say "we see gas leaking, stop driving" but they won't tell you if the fuel line, tank, injector,etc are responsible. MS's block is for MS customers not the public, MS also is not the only vendor that does this, there are dozens of vendors that provide domain reputation services like this to…

> MS can ___ and is their right, if you disagree stop using ____.

This is a pretty weak position to fall back to.

MS is disparaging their business and is trying to make themselves unaccountable. And they aren't customers so they have nothing to walk away from.

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