Congrats on the release!
Long live simple, non-proprietary, open editors which can be extended infinitely: Emacs & Vim (and their derivatives) FTW.
Neovim 0.8 Released
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Re: Neovim 0.8 Released
#202I've tried using neovim for C++ dev but keep ending back in either vscode with intellisense or YCM on Vim. I don't know if I'm just misconfiguring things but I haven't been able to get autocomplete working correctly. Any tips?
You'll need to configure clangd or ccls correctly with neovim's lsp, which in turn requires your build chain to be clean. It's definitely a huge time sink. Feel free to email me if you have specific issues!
I was doing a school project in c++ and I tried configuring ccls but in the end I just gave up and did the project without LSP. Like you said it came with some prebuilt tooling and ccls did not feel particularly beginner friendly to get working as I am not familiar at all with the c++ toolchain.
It (mostly) worked out of the box in another project with only some minor quirks though
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#203Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't want MS to monitor me. Anything that enables them to track me better is sensitive because I don't want to be monitored.
No one stops you from using VSCodium. But associating a software with spyware (a black/white action) should not but tied to how much telemetry (a spectrum) they collect. It's about what type of data they collect and what they do with the data. If they deliberately use that data to cause any damage (black/white), you can call it spyware. But if they only use that to improve their software, no, you shouldn't.
It secretly collects data (spies), so it is spyware. Which part do you not get?
Re: Neovim 0.8 Released
#204I feel the proliferation of plugins has made the whole vim/neovim echo system too complicated and overwhelming to adapt for a new user. 1. Vim itself has a learning curve 2. There are many great plugins, but if they don't work for you, then unless you are an advanced user, it is impossible to get everything working without wasting a day 3. I find it weird that to get a vim plugin to work, I might have to install llvm…
What's bad is that while neovim tries to make vim much more functional with bunch if plugins, they barely stay stable.
I don't know why but even if I install same plugins with same config on various machines of same Linux distro version, some just throw errors on every launch while others tend to work and it's getting to the point of annoyance to keep using it.
It does feel like it's piling up parts hoping they don't fall apart.
Using vs code with remote config does make it feel saner.
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#205If you use Neovim, can you share why you chose it over VS Code, or one of the new terminal-based editors like https://helix-editor.com/ , or new native GUI editors like https://zed.dev/ ? It's impressive to see what the Neovim community has built — preconfigured setups like https://nvchad.com/ are especially wild. But it still feels like a huge amount of work, hoop jumping, and _fragility_ just to reach parity with V…
What are you attempting to do with all that config hacking? I've used vi variants for years with pretty much the defaults.
I also use vscode and other IDEs. Why make it seem like one has to choose? That's like saying 'why do you use a hammer, i like screwdrivers better'.
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#206Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's some data here that can help give a clue: https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2022/#most-popular-technolog... . It does look like vscode is the most used by a very large margin.
Scrolling up, the same sample put NPM use at 65.17%, so I feel pretty comfortable calling it sample bias.
The data is no doubt biased, but given just how far ahead vscode is, it would need to be a very heavy bias to see vim/nvim come out ahead among all developers (however we define that). It gives us some information, but I agree doesn't tell us what the proportion is among all developers.
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#207Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your terminal application is an emulator of a decades old technology originally used in physical consoles, with layers upon layers of enhancements that add support for colors, cursor control, etc. At it's core, it's just a grid of characters. The GUI as a platform is quite literally a superset of the terminal, for example because the terminal emulator app is a GUI itself. Hacking the grid of characters to render line…
The new generation of terminals are nothing like what you’re describing: GPU acceleration, full color support, font shaping, support for ligatures, built-in support for multiplexing, SSH and more. WezTerm [1] is probably the best example right now but there are others. These aren’t your father’s terminals. [1]: https://wezfurlong.org/wezterm/
Of course they are. Your new generation terminals still use decade old protocols, using the same escape sequences to control the cursor position, colors etc.
The "lines" and other UI elements you see in those next generation terminals when you run TUI apps like neovim are still simple characters aligned next to each other to look like a line etc.
Stuff like GPU acceleration is only another layer which was put on top of all of that. At the core they're still using the same old technology.
Re: Neovim 0.8 Released
#208If you use Neovim, can you share why you chose it over VS Code, or one of the new terminal-based editors like https://helix-editor.com/ , or new native GUI editors like https://zed.dev/ ? It's impressive to see what the Neovim community has built — preconfigured setups like https://nvchad.com/ are especially wild. But it still feels like a huge amount of work, hoop jumping, and _fragility_ just to reach parity with V…
For me it's simple. My hands are already on my keyboard, and I already have my terminal open. For most of my programming I use whatever Jet Beans IDE my company has licenses for.
Re: Neovim 0.8 Released
#209If you use Neovim, can you share why you chose it over VS Code, or one of the new terminal-based editors like https://helix-editor.com/ , or new native GUI editors like https://zed.dev/ ? It's impressive to see what the Neovim community has built — preconfigured setups like https://nvchad.com/ are especially wild. But it still feels like a huge amount of work, hoop jumping, and _fragility_ just to reach parity with V…
besides being efficient text editor, I must say it's also a hobby for me. I just enjoy endlessly configuring it and writing little vim scripts.
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#210Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah it's a tough one. I've switched back and forth relatively freely over the years, but now that new VimScript (vim9 script) has breaking changes and neovim will not be supporting it, it's probably time to pick a pony. I may end up sticking with og vim but my heart has always been with neovim. regular vim would undoubtedly still be stuck in the stone age (including with no :terminal) had neovim not started some com…
Vim has had :terminal since version 8.1 [1]. [1]: https://gist.github.com/mahemoff/8967b5de067cffc67cec174cb3a...
The whole reason there ever was a vim 8 was neovim and the pressure it applied to implement async plugins and terminal.
Without neovim, we'd still be on vim 7.xxxxx