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Hurricane Ian damages in Southeast estimated at $100B to $120B

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Re: Hurricane Ian damages in Southeast estimated at $100B to $120B

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Post by tcmart14 »

snarf21 wrote: post #4

I can only assume it will go higher. We need to push FEMA to have a 2 and done rule. After that the property must be returned back to dunes/parks/public spaces.

I don't know if I could get with a blanket 2 and done rule, but I do think there should be some limited liability for the government for certain things. If you google earth into Tampa and look at a lot of the neighborhoods right on the pay, it is ridiculous. Artificial water ways and such. And of course anytime a hurricane comes through, they will easily be destroyed. Dumb planning, yes, it shouldn't be encouraged to rebuild it. But for things like Ports, we need ports.

[1] https://earth.google.com/web/@27.81056621,-82.6048196,1.6031... [2] https://earth.google.com/web/@26.58803101,-81.96774613,5.888...

Re: Hurricane Ian damages in Southeast estimated at $100B to $120B

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Post by jdhn »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #179
jdhn wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was a Cat 5 in all but name. Max winds were measured at 155 MPH, Cat 5 starts at 157 MPH wind speed.

So a cat 4 is a cat 5 in all but name? And a cat 5 is a cat 6 in all but name?

Don't be obtuse. This was 2 MPH away from being a "weak" Cat 5.

Re: Hurricane Ian damages in Southeast estimated at $100B to $120B

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Post by vaidhy »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #148
notch656a wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes and despite that they have below average per capita federal aid. Not only that, they had a record surplus in their state budget the last year. If someone were to try and attempt to portray Florida as some fiscally irresponsible welfare state, I would assert they would be quite misguided.

Interesting. I do not know how reliable this website is, but apparently, it incorporates Social security/Medicare spend also: https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/federal-spe...

Interestingly, it does not rank them per capita. California receives the highest at $12/person. Florida receives the third highest at $2700/person. Something does not jive

Re: Hurricane Ian damages in Southeast estimated at $100B to $120B

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Post by vaidhy »

1123581321 wrote: post #189
eachro wrote: post #153

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Are those federal funds being used for snow clearage?

FEMA spent about two billion on New York from Sandy.

Why move the goalpost? Snow clearance does not come from federal money.

Re: Hurricane Ian damages in Southeast estimated at $100B to $120B

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Post by 1123581321 »

vaidhy wrote: post #205
1123581321 wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FEMA spent about two billion on New York from Sandy.

Why move the goalpost? Snow clearance does not come from federal money.

I apologize for upsetting you. You sounded as if you thought FEMA didn’t contribute financially to storm management in New York. I agree the other user’s comment about snow removal was flippant.

Re: Hurricane Ian damages in Southeast estimated at $100B to $120B

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Post by lotsofpulp »

vaidhy wrote: post #203
lotsofpulp wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting. I do not know how reliable this website is, but apparently, it incorporates Social security/Medicare spend also: https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/federal-spe...

Interestingly, it does not rank them per capita. California receives the highest at $12/person. Florida receives the third highest at $2700/person. Something does not jive

The numbers are net federal dollars received per resident of the state, and they are ranked at the bottom.

California received the lowest compared to how much California paid the federal government. Florida is ranked in the middle.

Although, I clicked on the source and data is from 2013 so I wish I had found a more recent source.

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Post by coryrc »

cycrutchfield wrote: post #198
thehappypm wrote: post #183

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all immigration is legal if you claim to be an asylum seeker. It’s not intended to be a deportation-delayer for economic migrants.

Cool. How do you decide who is an economic migrant?

If they traveled through another country (Mexico) which could grant asylum, but chose not to stay there.

Re: Hurricane Ian damages in Southeast estimated at $100B to $120B

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

PM_me_your_math wrote: post #199
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #120

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If earthquakes strong enough to destroy many buildings happen in the same location every five or 10 years, then yes, that area should be considered uninhabitable.

Oct. 21, 1868. Hayward March 26, 1872. Lone Pine April 18, 1906. San Francisco June 29, 1925. Santa Barbara March 10, 1933. Long Beach July 21, 1952. Kern County/Tehachapi March 22, 1957. San Francisco and Daly City March 27, 1964. Crescent City Feb. 9, 1971 San Fernando Oct. 1, 1987 Whittier Oct. 18, 1989 Loma Prieta April 25, 1992 Petrolia June 28, 1992 Landers Jan. 17, 1994 Northridge Dec. 22, 2003 San Simeon Aug.…

That's not like Florida. If you said

1906 San Francisco

1911 San Francisco

1913 San Francisco

1922 San Francisco

1928 San Francisco

... then you 're in the neighborhood of what parts of Florida have been getting.

It's not that the whole state keeps getting hit by hurricanes. It's that individual locations have been hit multiple times in a decade. So no, California is not comparable.

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Post by ProfessorLayton »

PM_me_your_math wrote: post #199
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If earthquakes strong enough to destroy many buildings happen in the same location every five or 10 years, then yes, that area should be considered uninhabitable.

Oct. 21, 1868. Hayward March 26, 1872. Lone Pine April 18, 1906. San Francisco June 29, 1925. Santa Barbara March 10, 1933. Long Beach July 21, 1952. Kern County/Tehachapi March 22, 1957. San Francisco and Daly City March 27, 1964. Crescent City Feb. 9, 1971 San Fernando Oct. 1, 1987 Whittier Oct. 18, 1989 Loma Prieta April 25, 1992 Petrolia June 28, 1992 Landers Jan. 17, 1994 Northridge Dec. 22, 2003 San Simeon Aug.…

California is the most populous and economically significant state in the United States, which alone could stand to be the 5th largest economy in the world. California subsidizes other states, including those much much more prone to flooding, while the reverse isn't true in regards to earthquake damage.

A lot of federal disaster aid is just Californian's own money being used to help them when needed. This is true for other states like NY.

Lastly, California does indeed offer a very high deductible form of earthquake insurance, and it isn't federally subsidized like FEMA is.

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