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Tell HN: The Internet situation inside Iran
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#182Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your metaphor would work if we discussed whether or not to contact some isolated tribe in Amazon. Then we could have discussed pro/cons of destroying someone way of life by introducing our civilization vs. turning a blind eye to the poor (by our standards) living conditions of the tribe. Iran (even if you don't like its political system) is not it.
The metaphor obviously doesn’t resonate with you. It does resonate for myself and for 13 other people. I wish you well and hope you find something more to your liking.
Re: Tell HN: The Internet situation inside Iran
#183For what was supposed to be a spontaneous protest, this all seems incredibly well-coordinated. Certainly wouldn’t be the first time a foreign government used riots to influence government policy. Even further, Khamenei may not last the year and such riots could heavily influence the selection of his successor, offering a strong motive to any country looking to engage in such espionage.
So glad we can both appreciate how well organised mass protests can be when everyone works together. If you're going to insinuate something else, I'd suggest you get some actual evidence first. Just saying "colour revolution" or whatever is intellectually lazy, as well as being dishonest and dismissive about people who are risking their lives and liberty.
I just don’t know why this childlike notion that well-coordinated protests are organic persists. It may have been true in medieval times but not today. I can draw you a clear pattern of foreign interference in similar protests with hundreds of data points. Even if this one was completely organic, it would be a staggeringly outlying data point.
Re: Tell HN: The Internet situation inside Iran
#184Earlier quoted context omitted.
The metaphor obviously doesn’t resonate with you. It does resonate for myself and for 13 other people. I wish you well and hope you find something more to your liking.
It is very sad that facts do not matter just populism
What (I presume) you see in the quote:
- We have a rule not to interfere in *primitive* cultures.
- It is sometimes acceptable to break this rule when I feel it is morally right to do so.
When you read the quote, your emphasis is on the primitive. To you, the prime directive as a metaphor can only stretch to cover that. However, other people can take this advice and apply it in a more abstract way to many different areas of life. For example:
- We have a rule not to interfere in other cultures.
- We have rule not to interfere in other parts of the business.
- I have a rule not to interfere in other people’s affairs.
For example, the latter could form part of Kant’s Axe Murderer dilemma. You may think it is unacceptable to lie, but when faced with an axe murderer at the door looking for someone they intend to murder, you may choose to lie to save the intended victim. You may or may not class this as interference. You may go further and ring the police at which point I think you are interfering by most people's definition. Even though we are now talking about axe murderers and are very far away from primitive alien cultures, there is still a link between the two scenarios regarding rules around interference and when it is morally right to do so.
You could almost see this as a percentage scale, where 100% would be if a future space ship captain was debating whether to interfere in a primitive culture and 0% being do I want to get a bacon roll for breakfast tomorrow (e.g zero relevance). In this case, yes, your point about the amazonian tribe IS more relevant as it ticks more similarity boxes. Maybe it would score something like a 90% on the similarity scale. However, “we have a rule not to interfere in other cultures” is, in my mind, not too many percentage points off, maybe say 85%. To you it may be much less, say 30%. That’s fine, we are allowed to have different viewpoints.
The one thing I would say is that I personally feel that if you take a restrictive view of stories (which is what I would consider only allowing yourself to consider the prime directive relevant to primitive cultures) you are cutting off a lot of the richness of story telling. Writers want us to take their stories, be they set in the past, present and future, and relate it to our lives and current events. If you don’t do that, then what even is the point in taking the time to read them? Do you even feel a connection to the story? Do you feel it has enriched your life in any way? Are you really watching Star Trek in case you one day have to make an ethical decision on whether to interfere with an Amazonian tribe or do you feel that there are lessons within it that can be applied to more mundane and ordinary existences?
Re: Tell HN: The Internet situation inside Iran
#185Earlier quoted context omitted.
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#186Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is a good recommendation. Using Tor sounds good in theory, but it's too far easy to identify all of the Tor connections and identify the residences connected to them. I would suggest using SSH tunnels on whatever port a given server normally communicates on. If this is 443, connections should just look like normal web browsing on an ISP level. If the server is used to transmit other data over TLS using that port…
If the datacenter had been using SSH on port 22 to AWS in the past, I would just stick with that. The less changes the less obvious something is out of place. It sounds like they can still egress the datacenters for now. The connection to the residence would be the last hop in the SSH proxy foward chain meaning that all Iran will see is Datacenter -> AWS. Then it is AWS -> residence. Iran would not have visibility in…
Re: Tell HN: The Internet situation inside Iran
#187Earlier quoted context omitted.
If the datacenter had been using SSH on port 22 to AWS in the past, I would just stick with that. The less changes the less obvious something is out of place. It sounds like they can still egress the datacenters for now. The connection to the residence would be the last hop in the SSH proxy foward chain meaning that all Iran will see is Datacenter -> AWS. Then it is AWS -> residence. Iran would not have visibility in…
Just a side note: I guess it still can be suspicious as AWS is banned for Iranian. Irainians usually use other VPS providers.
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#188 https://signal.org/blog/run-a-proxy/
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#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
So glad we can both appreciate how well organised mass protests can be when everyone works together. If you're going to insinuate something else, I'd suggest you get some actual evidence first. Just saying "colour revolution" or whatever is intellectually lazy, as well as being dishonest and dismissive about people who are risking their lives and liberty.
I can’t name a single insurrection in the past 300 years that didn’t have significant foreign financing and support from the beginning. America’s 1776 insurrection was heavily financed by the French. The 1918 Russian Revolution could not have been won without help from the Germans. Castro wasn’t going anywhere without Russian support. The Hong Kong protests were backed by the US. Israel destroyed Middle Eastern stabi…