Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

Post by Matheus28 » Thu, Sep 29, 2022, 5:50 AM UTC

cortesoft wrote: post #147

amatecha wrote: post #127

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Sure, that's fine by me. Or even "video content is restricted to 240p unless you have a paid subscription, then you can see videos in 1080p". Right? It's 1000% possible to come up with totally fair business models that aren't so blatantly exploitative. Right now "the user is the product" on ANY free service. Previously there was App.net, which was effectively "Twitter but you pay for access". It had a free tier which…

Ok... what if they said, "it is free if you use our app and let us advertise to you, or you can pay us and use any client you want"?

Post by d110af5ccf » Thu, Sep 29, 2022, 5:51 AM UTC

fzeroracer wrote: post #231

d110af5ccf wrote: post #221

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Yes, people can and will write malicious programs. Those will sometimes take the form of third party clients for a service. That is not and will never be a valid argument against them being allowed to exist. Monopolies are not ok. Abusive behavior by the dominant market players isn't ok.

Yes, but my point is that said clients should have to talk through properly secured APIs and required by law. Until then, an app like this is a massive, MASSIVE security risk and I would question the sanity of any team that saw something like this and ignored it.

Post by josephcsible » Thu, Sep 29, 2022, 5:53 AM UTC

cortesoft wrote: post #173

amatecha wrote: post #94

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Again, I'm asking _the person in the thread above_ who made these claims that the app is stealing user data to provide any supporting evidence, perhaps via the methods I described in my last comment. I'm not talking about Meta.

Yes, an individual can do that. That is not the point. The person you replied to wasn't saying they know for sure they were stealing user data, just that Meta has no way of knowing they aren't, and even if they aren't right now, no way of knowing if they will start in the future. It doesn't matter what the app does at this moment, it can be changed at any point.

Post by LtWorf » Thu, Sep 29, 2022, 5:54 AM UTC

Matheus28 wrote: post #157

josephcsible wrote: post #114

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Do you also support games using client-side anti-cheat in your OS kernel?

This seems a bit unrelated but I'll chime in with my opinion. Unfortunately for some types of games (first person shooters), a modified client can be game ruining for other players. For me, as long as it's only running while the client is running, and doesn't send private data remotely, I'm okay with it. At least on Windows there's not much difference in terms of privacy of something running in the kernel vs userland…

Post by tptacek » Thu, Sep 29, 2022, 5:56 AM UTC

josephcsible wrote: post #252

tptacek wrote: post #238

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They gave you the data conditioned on an agreement not to use unauthorized clients, the same way any number of real-world businesses "give" you things subject to conditions, like the waffle maker in the hotel lobby which requires you to stay there overnight to use it.

What if your neighbor lends you a book, subject to the condition that you only read it to your sons, not your daughters? Are you stealing if you read it to your daughters anyway?