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Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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Post by d110af5ccf »

fzeroracer wrote: post #209
xmodem wrote: post #98

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The 3rd party is not making the API request though. I am, just using software that didn't come from the platform vendor. Many 3rd party twitter clients have expressed a willingness to display ads if provided an API to do so. As someone who has lost precious accessibility capabilities because of restrictions on 3rd party clients, I unfortunately have to point out that I don't really have a choice of what platforms I d…

Let me offer you a question then: Do you know how much data the OG App is taking from you while you authorize it to work on your behalf? How do you know it's not reading through your entire message history? Or building its own network graph of your friends to sell? How about security? How do you know it's securely storing your credentials? Or that it's not selling said credentials as well? Like in this scenario to Fa…

Yes, people can and will write malicious programs. Those will sometimes take the form of third party clients for a service. That is not and will never be a valid argument against them being allowed to exist. Monopolies are not ok. Abusive behavior by the dominant market players isn't ok.

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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Post by jjav »

chaostheory wrote: post #181
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #49

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Without control of the client, it gets much harder to fight abuse.

Meta isn't some utility people can't live without. It's optional. If you're worried about abuse, then don't use it.

> Meta isn't some utility people can't live without.

This is not true for large parts of society.

There are many institutions which force you to communicate via facebook, so not having access to it means you're locked out of parts of your real life.

This is horribly wrong by those institutions, of course, but here we are. It should be illegal, but isn't yet.

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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Post by voidwtf »

josephcsible wrote: post #103
voidwtf wrote: post #51

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This wasn’t competition though. This was straight up theft of resources/services. What? “extra-legal”? Don’t mix this with other behaviors Meta/Facebook/Instagram engage in, I hate them for all the bullsht they get away with too. However, this isn’t that, this is someone trying to build a platform on top of someone else’s platform explicitly against their terms of service and without reimbursing them.

> This was straight up theft of resources/services. Are you claiming that building and/or using adblocking software is theft?

p.s. If I have to go out of my way to evade anti-adblock measure then the answer is a clear yes to me. Otherwise, if no clear block is placed before me I view it as a moral grey area. Sites that I want to support and regularly visit I disable ad block for. I am one of those people who don’t have adblock on YouTube.

I’d like to see an internet that didn’t need ads or ad blockers. Give me a better way to help you monetize your content.

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Post by theamk »

vintermann wrote: post #144
Matheus28 wrote: post #116

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If that's their business model and they want to, sure. I'd guess that most wouldn't because it's not as profitable (they'd lose too many customers).

I don't think there should be "freedom of business model". We aren't obliged to respect and comply with your choice of way of getting rich. If your business model is dependent on people looking at you in the "right" way then tough luck.

I don't think there should be "freedom to use my stuff but my ignore rules" model - if a person (ot a company) is providing a service, they should be able to do it the way they like. Don't like the rules? Don't use the service.

It there was fraud invoved, one party may get damage/compensation.. But forcing someone to provide service is just not right.

(With the exception of monopolies of course. Let's regulate them.)

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Post by katbyte »

Matheus28 wrote: post #203
userbinator wrote: post #201

I wonder how many who think Meta are in the right here are themselves using things like adblockers, other browser extensions that modify page content to their liking, even Reader Mode, or basically anything other than a "I'll bend over and take it" attitude towards everything they use, because you're a hypocrite if you do.

I think Meta is in the right, and I use an adblocker on my browser. If they stopped serving me content because I'm using an adblocker, I would have to accept it or disable my adblocker on their website. There's nothing hypocritical about this position. They allow me to use their content in this way so I will, if they didn't, I wouldn't. Working against their explicit wishes (circumventing anti-adblock) is what's wron…

Yep, when I go to a page that blocks content because I have an ad blocker on I don’t even try to bypass it or inspect source and edit to remove it - I just go elsewhere.

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Post by d110af5ccf »

amatecha wrote: post #45

Oh wow, this app got pulled from everything because it's an unofficial 3rd party client for Instagram? I'll say it again, companies should be legally forbidden from blocking 3rd party clients. They don't have to explicitly support them, but taking action to explicitly thwart them (and writing ToS that forbids them) should be outlawed. There's no reason I should have to be subjected to untold tracking, snooping and ad…

I agree with you wholeheartedly. However I can't resist shilling self hosted alternatives here.

> There's no reason I should have to be subjected to untold tracking, snooping and advertising functionality to be able to post or look at photos and comment on them.

Stand up your own PixelFed instance for your family and friends today!

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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Post by dylan604 »

tsimionescu wrote: post #214
Matheus28 wrote: post #83

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Why should 3rd parties be allowed to make unauthorized api requests? Additionally, some apps are only monetized through advertisement, and 3rd party apps don't display them. How do you expect the 1st party to stay in business? I don't align with Meta on a lot of issues, but they should be able to control what apps interact with their platform. Don't like it, don't use it.

By this logic, it should be illegal / a breach of contract for you to run an ad blocker, since the company may not make money? Should you also be forced to look at ads and not switch channels while they're on TV, with the channel being free to cut access if they find you haven been looking at the ads they serve? This logic really bends over backwards to support FB's and similar business models.

Rather than just blocking the request for the ad, if an ad blocker allowed the requesting site to make the request for the ad but then just sent the data to the browser's equivalent of /dev/null, I'd be fine with that as long as I never had to see/hear the ad.

This is of course ripe for abuse, but that's just synonymous for digital advertising in general. I don't consider it any different than me hitting mute on the TV during ad breaks or getting up and going to another room during that break.

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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Post by d110af5ccf »

dangero wrote: post #84
amatecha wrote: post #64

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If you've ever worked on an online service, you might realize that what you ship for the client is almost irrelevant -- it can all be reverse engineered and an unofficial client can _always_ be created. This happens for all online services, even if it's just someone's data-mining app running on a local machine. The number one rule is "never trust what comes from the client", because it's trivial to create carefully-c…

You should check out Apple App Attest —- this just isn’t true any more for mobile. https://developer.apple.com/documentation/devicecheck/valida...

It isn't true for iOS devices, perhaps. I refuse to run an OS that supports such nonsense. Right now a custom Android rom is sufficient. In the future I expect I'll be moving to one of the Linux distros once they have better support for mobile.
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