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Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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Post by voidwtf »

tarakat wrote: post #34
voidwtf wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Each employee willingly participated. I understand the feeling, but these weren’t random people that had nothing to do with a company action. These were all individuals who took part in the act. I agree it’s petty, and yes this is what many free market proponents want (unless free market is just a convenient guise to get what they want).

> I agree it’s petty The pettiness isn't the problem, the extra-legal power that consolidation of capital and media enables is. Competition in the market ceases to be about the best product at the best price, and becomes a game of strategic alliances and power abuse instead. Edit: To clarify once more: Facebook may have a legitimate interest in keeping this company off Instagram. What it does not have is a moral righ…

This wasn’t competition though. This was straight up theft of resources/services.

What? “extra-legal”? Don’t mix this with other behaviors Meta/Facebook/Instagram engage in, I hate them for all the bullsht they get away with too. However, this isn’t that, this is someone trying to build a platform on top of someone else’s platform explicitly against their terms of service and without reimbursing them.

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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Post by rtldg »

ipsum2 wrote: post #27
Dylan16807 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you accusing these developers of violating privacy? If not, you're twisting things to the point of deception. Facebook is supposed to crack down, yes, but it's a specific thing they're supposed to crack down on, not ad-removal.

> Are you accusing these developers of violating privacy? Yes, the app is downloading private user messages (ostensibly to show a modified messaging interface) and private photos, according to their feature list. This isn't a simple DNS-level ad-block, its acting as a proxy where the app developers can intercept and see all data. Their website doesn't even have a privacy policy, just a dummy link: https://www.theogap…

The privacy policy link being broken is definitely unfortunate. Anyway, here's the page it is supposed to link to https://www.theogapp.com/privacy

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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Post by barbariangrunge »

ipsum2 wrote: post #27
Dylan16807 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you accusing these developers of violating privacy? If not, you're twisting things to the point of deception. Facebook is supposed to crack down, yes, but it's a specific thing they're supposed to crack down on, not ad-removal.

> Are you accusing these developers of violating privacy? Yes, the app is downloading private user messages (ostensibly to show a modified messaging interface) and private photos, according to their feature list. This isn't a simple DNS-level ad-block, its acting as a proxy where the app developers can intercept and see all data. Their website doesn't even have a privacy policy, just a dummy link: https://www.theogap…

> Yes, the app is downloading private user messages (ostensibly to show a modified messaging interface) and private photos, according to their feature list.

In 100 years, I wonder how we will look back at our generation tried to wrap its head around how digital information works. The implications are mind mending and we've been figuring it out our whole lives, with new aspects appearing regularly.

People like my grandparents couldn't ever download a conversation and share it, not in the same way

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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Post by bobsil1 »

lmz wrote: post #3

These companies can ban the US President from their platforms. What makes you think they can't ban yours - you don't even have any nuclear launch codes...

*These companies can ban a terrorist from abusing their platforms as a terrorist control channel, banning him years too late due to their corrupt incentives.

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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Post by phpthrowaway99 »

bitwize wrote: post #32

If you're helping violate Meta's ToS, do you have a legitimate reason why you think they should tolerate you?

Can you imagine the poor intern that's just answering phones or delivering coffee, proud to have their first job, and loses their social media account? Sorta funny.

It also seems extremely petty considering they KNOW this company has endless fake accounts they use, and losing their personals doesn't really mean much other than a personal loss.

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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Post by GauntletWizard »

voidwtf wrote: post #38
seba_dos1 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They tweeted that they reverse-engineered the Android API, which would likely get personally you banned anywhere The question is - how do we even allow it do be legal? Not being able to reverse engineer applications running on your own devices is some kind of bullshit dystopia, tolerated only because average citizen is not technical enough to realize how dystopian it is.

Listen, I really didn’t like the way your machine consumed your resources, so I built my own machine that consumes your resources. You should totally let me do this because it’s what your users want. Oh, and I also told your users to stop paying you because that’s anti consumer. Meta is wrong in a lot of ways, but this isn’t the right way to fix the problem. Just remove Meta from the equation entirely.

I completely agree that this isn't the right way to fight Meta, but I disagree about "Letting" you build a machine that consumes resources.

It's not OG or Facebook's machine that is consuming Facebook's API Resources. It is software that is running on the User's hardware. The user should be, and generally is, allowed to make any request to Facebook that's not actively malicious - Using whatever software they choose as their user agent. That means a third party client, developed with the express intent of not showing ads. It's my computer, not yours,

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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Post by Dylan16807 »

voidwtf wrote: post #38
seba_dos1 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They tweeted that they reverse-engineered the Android API, which would likely get personally you banned anywhere The question is - how do we even allow it do be legal? Not being able to reverse engineer applications running on your own devices is some kind of bullshit dystopia, tolerated only because average citizen is not technical enough to realize how dystopian it is.

Listen, I really didn’t like the way your machine consumed your resources, so I built my own machine that consumes your resources. You should totally let me do this because it’s what your users want. Oh, and I also told your users to stop paying you because that’s anti consumer. Meta is wrong in a lot of ways, but this isn’t the right way to fix the problem. Just remove Meta from the equation entirely.

> so I built my own machine that consumes your resources

They designed the machine.

It's the users that are making instances and running it, right?

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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Post by amatecha »

ipsum2 wrote: post #27
Dylan16807 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you accusing these developers of violating privacy? If not, you're twisting things to the point of deception. Facebook is supposed to crack down, yes, but it's a specific thing they're supposed to crack down on, not ad-removal.

> Are you accusing these developers of violating privacy? Yes, the app is downloading private user messages (ostensibly to show a modified messaging interface) and private photos, according to their feature list. This isn't a simple DNS-level ad-block, its acting as a proxy where the app developers can intercept and see all data. Their website doesn't even have a privacy policy, just a dummy link: https://www.theogap…

What evidence do you have that this application was acting as a "proxy" where the developers can "intercept and see all data"? That's a pretty big claim to make without providing any supporting evidence.
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