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Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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> These companies can ban the US President from their platforms. Good, you should be able to choose who you do business with, or at least that’s what conservatives argued for years.

Pretty sure “the free market” has decided that Parler and Truth Social are terrible social media products based on their relative lack of adoption

Give it a few.

It's only a matter of time until the Leftist tech platforms ban a critical amount of content producers and make themselves irrelevant. After all, each creator you ban represents a multiple of monetizable viewers that you just partially or totally told "don't come to my site".

Take Rumble for example. It still has a substantial amount of gristle, but a growing amount of mainstream content. It is also now a publicly listed company undergoing hockey stick growth at a time when most companies are not.

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> These companies can ban the US President from their platforms. Good, you should be able to choose who you do business with, or at least that’s what conservatives argued for years.

Pretty sure “the free market” has decided that Parler and Truth Social are terrible social media products based on their relative lack of adoption

Social networking space is not a true market due to the fact common users are not buyers or sellers in them.

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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This is honestly the exact reason I haven't tried to develop a facebook app or extension... I've heard that the smallest mis-step can get your account suspended like this. Not like a 'here's a warning' but 'you read a variable you shouldn't have, now your whole account is deleted'.

This isn't usually a problem, except Facebook has a pretty unique position in our society. It might be the only social media some of our immediate family have. It's the de-facto social media presence for some smaller community organizations (like parent groups) and hobby groups. A ban from Facebook is a lot more deeply impactful than being banned from, say, gmail or something.

I could understand if they sent the developers a cease-and-desist or initiated some sort of legal action with this as a potential consequence. I could even understand blocking the app until it was resolved. But actually searching up the dev team and banning their personal Facebook accounts for something they're building on Instagram...

This makes it so much scarier because Oculus is also Meta, and the community there is still heavily reliant on developers to grow since Meta has sunk so much money into it and it still hasn't quite found its footing in the market. Do they think more people are going to develop for it if a potential consequence is their facebook account will be perma-banned as a first-resort? Would you be willing to experiment on that platform?

Anyways, I'm no gazillion-dollar monopoly, but it seems vindictive more than good business sense.

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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These companies can ban the US President from their platforms. What makes you think they can't ban yours - you don't even have any nuclear launch codes...

Obviously they can, the surprise is that they did.

Vindictive actions like this are rarely profitable, they tend to scare people off from doing business with you.

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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It's worth noting that the app received $1M in preseed funding: https://techcrunch.com/2022/09/27/og-app-promises-you-an-ad-... It's also worth noting that the Instagram API is extremely locked down for typical users (which is the reason why there hasn't been a clone like this) as it is limited to Businesses and Creators, but the app demonstrates features not available by the official API: https://developers.facebook…

> They tweeted that they reverse-engineered the Android API, which would likely get personally you banned anywhere

The question is - how do we even allow it do be legal? Not being able to reverse engineer applications running on your own devices is some kind of bullshit dystopia, tolerated only because average citizen is not technical enough to realize how dystopian it is.

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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Well, what did they expect? Does anyone think a company will sit around while you strip their app of their revenue source and republish it? Now I'm all for trying, I use adblockers and SponsorBlock, but we all know that they're unofficial methods that could be taken down at any time. That's exactly what happened to Vanced.

> Well, what did they expect? It would be good if companies did not ban you on one site for violating the TOS of a completely different site.

I could see banning the app, and maybe their business accounts. But to track down the developers and ban their personal accounts seems rather extreme.

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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Privacy proponents should cheer for this. Legally Meta must take down the app to comply with FTC's order (obligatory not a lawyer): https://www.ftc.gov/business-guidance/blog/2019/07/ftcs-5-bi... > Another way the FTC says Facebook violated the order was by failing to adequately assess and address privacy risks posed by third-party developers. Other than getting developers to click an “I agree” terms-and-conditions b…

Are you accusing these developers of violating privacy? If not, you're twisting things to the point of deception. Facebook is supposed to crack down, yes, but it's a specific thing they're supposed to crack down on, not ad-removal.

> Are you accusing these developers of violating privacy?

Yes, the app is downloading private user messages (ostensibly to show a modified messaging interface) and private photos, according to their feature list.

This isn't a simple DNS-level ad-block, its acting as a proxy where the app developers can intercept and see all data.

Their website doesn't even have a privacy policy, just a dummy link: https://www.theogapp.com/

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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Well, what did they expect? Does anyone think a company will sit around while you strip their app of their revenue source and republish it? Now I'm all for trying, I use adblockers and SponsorBlock, but we all know that they're unofficial methods that could be taken down at any time. That's exactly what happened to Vanced.

> Well, what did they expect? It would be good if companies did not ban you on one site for violating the TOS of a completely different site.

https://help.instagram.com/581066165581870

Except for the part where the TOS explicitly states that you will be banned from all Metas products…

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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If it was a really good app you made, why not also make your own backend and completely decouple from meta?

If you build an app using the meta platform in a way that is a clear violation of their tos, the app will obviously be killed the second it gets popular. If I was running a service and another company attempted to do this to my service (violated my TOS, built on top of my private API in a way that striped all my revenue and repackaged it under their name, etc) I would definitely ban them...

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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"We explicitly violated the terms of service for a website and you'll never guess what happened next."

The company retaliated against their employees through unrelated services it happens to also own? Is this the kind of free market we want? Turf wars?

I don't know what definition of free market would exclude the idea that private companies can take actions to protect their property.
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