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Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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Post by JohnHaugeland »

seba_dos1 wrote: post #25
minimaxir wrote: post #8

It's worth noting that the app received $1M in preseed funding: https://techcrunch.com/2022/09/27/og-app-promises-you-an-ad-... It's also worth noting that the Instagram API is extremely locked down for typical users (which is the reason why there hasn't been a clone like this) as it is limited to Businesses and Creators, but the app demonstrates features not available by the official API: https://developers.facebook…

> They tweeted that they reverse-engineered the Android API, which would likely get personally you banned anywhere The question is - how do we even allow it do be legal? Not being able to reverse engineer applications running on your own devices is some kind of bullshit dystopia, tolerated only because average citizen is not technical enough to realize how dystopian it is.

I have some trouble with "telling a third party developer they can't replace parts of your server-driven app for their own profit is a dystopia."

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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Post by tarakat »

voidwtf wrote: post #20
tarakat wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The company retaliated against their employees through unrelated services it happens to also own? Is this the kind of free market we want? Turf wars?

Each employee willingly participated. I understand the feeling, but these weren’t random people that had nothing to do with a company action. These were all individuals who took part in the act. I agree it’s petty, and yes this is what many free market proponents want (unless free market is just a convenient guise to get what they want).

> I agree it’s petty

The pettiness isn't the problem, the extra-legal power that consolidation of capital and media enables is. Competition in the market ceases to be about the best product at the best price, and becomes a game of strategic alliances and power abuse instead.

Edit: To clarify once more: Facebook may have a legitimate interest in keeping this company off Instagram. What it does not have is a moral right to use unrelated properties for retaliation. This is what I meant by "extra-legal" - it's using its market power to punish a company, instead of the courts. If Instagram was independent, it could not engage in this sort of business-warfare.

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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Post by minimaxir »

naet wrote: post #29

If it was a really good app you made, why not also make your own backend and completely decouple from meta? If you build an app using the meta platform in a way that is a clear violation of their tos, the app will obviously be killed the second it gets popular. If I was running a service and another company attempted to do this to my service (violated my TOS, built on top of my private API in a way that striped all m…

The problem is that the only reason the app is getting press is because it's a ripoff.

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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Post by loa_in_ »

standyro wrote: post #10
shakezula wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> These companies can ban the US President from their platforms. Good, you should be able to choose who you do business with, or at least that’s what conservatives argued for years.

Pretty sure “the free market” has decided that Parler and Truth Social are terrible social media products based on their relative lack of adoption

Free market did enormous amount of terrible, short sighted choices. I am living in a (moderately) free market country, which isn't USA and government moderation is a never ending war with evolution of ways to circumvent regulations. These are only in place to try to keep food products from harming people eating them. I use food as an obvious example, but it applies to all branches of economy - electronics, insurance policies, gambling, clothing, meat, produce, etc. All in pursuit of profit over humanitarian needs. Always trying to evade detection by means of misdirection, "accidental" omission; surely even bribery.

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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Post by 1270018080 »

tenpies wrote: post #21
standyro wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty sure “the free market” has decided that Parler and Truth Social are terrible social media products based on their relative lack of adoption

Give it a few. It's only a matter of time until the Leftist tech platforms ban a critical amount of content producers and make themselves irrelevant. After all, each creator you ban represents a multiple of monetizable viewers that you just partially or totally told "don't come to my site". Take Rumble for example. It still has a substantial amount of gristle, but a growing amount of mainstream content. It is also no…

I don't think there are any "leftist" social media platform. Maybe explicitly leftist subreddits if that counts? But overall, there are normal people platforms and right wing propaganda platforms. Is this the effect where anything left of fox news is "communism"?

I hadn't heard of Rumble until now. But I'm just seeing some putin defense, covid conspiracy, and joe biden is a terrorist videos. And the UX is early 2010's.

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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Post by voidwtf »

seba_dos1 wrote: post #25
minimaxir wrote: post #8

It's worth noting that the app received $1M in preseed funding: https://techcrunch.com/2022/09/27/og-app-promises-you-an-ad-... It's also worth noting that the Instagram API is extremely locked down for typical users (which is the reason why there hasn't been a clone like this) as it is limited to Businesses and Creators, but the app demonstrates features not available by the official API: https://developers.facebook…

> They tweeted that they reverse-engineered the Android API, which would likely get personally you banned anywhere The question is - how do we even allow it do be legal? Not being able to reverse engineer applications running on your own devices is some kind of bullshit dystopia, tolerated only because average citizen is not technical enough to realize how dystopian it is.

Listen, I really didn’t like the way your machine consumed your resources, so I built my own machine that consumes your resources. You should totally let me do this because it’s what your users want. Oh, and I also told your users to stop paying you because that’s anti consumer.

Meta is wrong in a lot of ways, but this isn’t the right way to fix the problem. Just remove Meta from the equation entirely.

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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Post by tarakat »

etchalon wrote: post #30
tarakat wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The company retaliated against their employees through unrelated services it happens to also own? Is this the kind of free market we want? Turf wars?

I don't know what definition of free market would exclude the idea that private companies can take actions to protect their property.

The kind that realizes that government is not the only threat to a functional free market, that does not devolve into feudalism. I am pointing out the failure of lack of antitrust enforcement, not claiming that an unrestricted free market is the ideal, no matter where it leads.

Re: Meta has banned the personal Facebook accounts for everyone on our team

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Post by denkmoon »

ipsum2 wrote: post #27
Dylan16807 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you accusing these developers of violating privacy? If not, you're twisting things to the point of deception. Facebook is supposed to crack down, yes, but it's a specific thing they're supposed to crack down on, not ad-removal.

> Are you accusing these developers of violating privacy? Yes, the app is downloading private user messages (ostensibly to show a modified messaging interface) and private photos, according to their feature list. This isn't a simple DNS-level ad-block, its acting as a proxy where the app developers can intercept and see all data. Their website doesn't even have a privacy policy, just a dummy link: https://www.theogap…

Incredible re the missing privacy policy. Definitely not a group of people that should be responsible for anyone's private data.
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