S.F. sued over homeless camp sweeps: city charged with criminalizing unsheltered

Post by ineptech » Wed, Sep 28, 2022, 5:52 PM UTC

twblalock wrote: post #31

olivermarks wrote: post #10

'Unsheltered' is a propaganda word and a fig leaf for the very sad reality that we have a chronic opioid and meth crisis which tips many people over into serious mental illness. Giving these individuals expensive housing is not going to solve anything. California is a magnet for substance abuse casualties and as then SF mayor Newsom found at the end of his grandiose plan to 'end homelessness' ever more people arrived…

Realistically, the only way we can solve this is with incarceration. This has little to do with the availability of housing, or the cost of housing. Some people will simply refuse to live in the housing that is provided. Many are so mentally ill and addicted to drugs that no amount of money we give them, either directly or indirectly, will get them off the streets. Proposed solutions that don't involve incarceration…

Post by profile53 » Wed, Sep 28, 2022, 5:52 PM UTC

jwlstn wrote: post #38

olivermarks wrote: post #10

'Unsheltered' is a propaganda word and a fig leaf for the very sad reality that we have a chronic opioid and meth crisis which tips many people over into serious mental illness. Giving these individuals expensive housing is not going to solve anything. California is a magnet for substance abuse casualties and as then SF mayor Newsom found at the end of his grandiose plan to 'end homelessness' ever more people arrived…

If this were true why are the giant homeless populations almost exclusively in insanely expensive housing markets like SF, LA, NYC? Drug addiction is far worse in WV yet they don't have a major homeless problem. Explain this discrepency please if it's all because of drugs

Post by LawTalkingGuy » Wed, Sep 28, 2022, 5:53 PM UTC

alsetmusic wrote: post #48

twblalock wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Realistically, the only way we can solve this is with incarceration. This has little to do with the availability of housing, or the cost of housing. Some people will simply refuse to live in the housing that is provided. Many are so mentally ill and addicted to drugs that no amount of money we give them, either directly or indirectly, will get them off the streets. Proposed solutions that don't involve incarceration…

This is the most cynical and heartless response I’ve seen in perhaps ever.

Post by bombcar » Wed, Sep 28, 2022, 5:55 PM UTC

azinman2 wrote: post #26

m0llusk wrote: post #21

The worst thing about this is it is extremely unlikely to help with homelessness, but it will almost certainly earn big bucks for lawyers involved in the homeless industrial complex. The level of perverse corruption here is phenomenal.

> homeless industrial complex First time I’m hearing of such a complex that sounds oxymoronic. How big is this complex? Who are the players? How do they make so much money to become a complex industry?

Post by triceratops » Wed, Sep 28, 2022, 5:55 PM UTC

LawTalkingGuy wrote: post #75

alsetmusic wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the most cynical and heartless response I’ve seen in perhaps ever.

You want to leave drugs users, on the most potent substances ever created, in open-air drug camps full of violence, rape, filth, more drugs, etc? Do you expect them to one day pull the fentanyl out of their arm and walk over to the Apple store to get a job? The drugs, and the camps, kill people . If they don't have the wherewithal to move then we need to do it for them. They can't get better while living in filth and…