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When the push button was new, people were freaked

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Re: When the push button was new, people were freaked

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> Today, you’d probably have to schedule an electrician to fix what some children back then knew how to make: electric bells, buttons, and buzzers. "Some" is doing a ton of work in this sentence describing 19th century children.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure there's way more children today with electronics/electricity skills than back in the day...

Re: When the push button was new, people were freaked

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I agree that bouton can mean pimple or zit, it's the rest of the phrase that I don't understand. Bouton doesn't mean projection, and sure isn't a verb...

Note that the English word was derived from Old French, not Modern French. And Old French noun boton/bouton (”bud”) is itself formed from the Old French verb boter/bouter , “to thrust.” It’s had a variety of meanings in French generally related to ”thing that pushes out.” Google Translate is not a very complete dictionary. You can find many more definitions in Trésor de la langue française informatisé : https://www.c…

> It means “projection” in the sense of ”bit that sticks out,”

And it also means that in English.

Re: When the push button was new, people were freaked

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post #22

Let's return to the button where possible. I often prefer physical buttons due to the feedback I get. I know it does nothing, but I'll still press extra hard on a stupid touchscreen if it's not responding. On how touchscreens are over-used for the sake of updating without physical constraints. "The software guys can independently do the design of the UI, changing things down to the very last moment, or even after the…

> On making light of people born post-1990s how no one can fix anything now. "We care less about repair as most would rather just scrap that broken TV and get a new one. The electronic and small appliance repair store are all but gone"

Very few people have ever been capable of fixing things, especially electronics. As electronics got smaller, more integrated and more complicated the bar got higher, reducing the pool of capable people even more.

The other problem is that TVs have gotten cheaper at the same time labor prices have gone up. This drove all the TV repair shops out of business because the bench time alone to even do a quick diagnosis is already starting to approach the cost of a new TV. Spending hundreds of dollars to (maybe) repair your 5+ year old TV just doesn't really make a ton of sense to most people. And that's assuming there's not a major fault: replacing a few capacitors is one thing; replacing the mainboard or LCD panel can cost more than buying a new TV.

This same pattern repeats for most consumer electronics, sadly.

Re: When the push button was new, people were freaked

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post #31

> Today, you’d probably have to schedule an electrician to fix what some children back then knew how to make: electric bells, buttons, and buzzers. "Some" is doing a ton of work in this sentence describing 19th century children.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure there's way more children today with electronics/electricity skills than back in the day...

I'm pretty sure there were way more children back then who had practical skills, now everyone is pushed into "college prep" and discouraged from having practical skills, as they are associated with the lower class workers.

The people who keep us all alive are viewed as less worthy... that's our problem in a nutshell.

Re: When the push button was new, people were freaked

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Tangental, but the physical mechanisms of electronic controls are often worth study. Ingenious mechanisms move little slivers of metal around in carefully engineered enclosures. It's a more accessible magic that's easy to disregard.

The "channel dial" switch on old TV's was awesome.

Re: When the push button was new, people were freaked

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> Today, you’d probably have to schedule an electrician to fix what some children back then knew how to make: electric bells, buttons, and buzzers. Where I live you are technically not allowed to install equipment on 120 or 240 if you are not a certified electrician. Insurance won't cover water damage if installation hasn't been done by a professional plumber. People still do it, but this is not going in the right di…

I completely disagree... on the trend you back up, I see a future where you cannot cook your own food unless you've become a professional specialist of cooking (for food safety). going to cartoon levels of ridiculousness, a society in which you cannot do anything other than consume unless you're doing a job (which would involve safety, insurance, and other various legal and bureaucratic requirements). what keeps thin…

Huh. Extending your distopian cartoon by reference to an earlier (today) HN thread about sex workers, and thinking of a society where ...

Re: When the push button was new, people were freaked

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> Today, you’d probably have to schedule an electrician to fix what some children back then knew how to make: electric bells, buttons, and buzzers. Where I live you are technically not allowed to install equipment on 120 or 240 if you are not a certified electrician. Insurance won't cover water damage if installation hasn't been done by a professional plumber. People still do it, but this is not going in the right di…

I completely disagree... on the trend you back up, I see a future where you cannot cook your own food unless you've become a professional specialist of cooking (for food safety). going to cartoon levels of ridiculousness, a society in which you cannot do anything other than consume unless you're doing a job (which would involve safety, insurance, and other various legal and bureaucratic requirements). what keeps thin…

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Re: When the push button was new, people were freaked

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> Today, you’d probably have to schedule an electrician to fix what some children back then knew how to make: electric bells, buttons, and buzzers. Where I live you are technically not allowed to install equipment on 120 or 240 if you are not a certified electrician. Insurance won't cover water damage if installation hasn't been done by a professional plumber. People still do it, but this is not going in the right di…

I completely disagree... on the trend you back up, I see a future where you cannot cook your own food unless you've become a professional specialist of cooking (for food safety). going to cartoon levels of ridiculousness, a society in which you cannot do anything other than consume unless you're doing a job (which would involve safety, insurance, and other various legal and bureaucratic requirements). what keeps thin…

Yeah I think that you mis-interpreted what I meant. Being prevented to do stuff as simple as changing a switch, a plug or a faucet is plain stupid, and I'm pretty sure it's not even backed by data (or if it is, it's probably overconservative).
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