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When the push button was new, people were freaked

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Re: When the push button was new, people were freaked

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post #14

This sounds trivially correct but the short article doesn't do enough to support it other than the few anecdotes that are mentioned. This is similar to today when, as an example, the NYT tries to get in front of a trend by highlighting and cherry picking a few examples of people who are doing what one of their articles purports in so many words is more widespread than it really might be. Then take a statement like th…

“Americans are being crushed by falling grand pianos”

(https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30347005#30350402)

Re: When the push button was new, people were freaked

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Let's return to the button where possible. I often prefer physical buttons due to the feedback I get. I know it does nothing, but I'll still press extra hard on a stupid touchscreen if it's not responding.

On how touchscreens are over-used for the sake of updating without physical constraints. "The software guys can independently do the design of the UI, changing things down to the very last moment, or even after the last moment if the car can be updated." [1] [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32494497

On making light of people born post-1990s how no one can fix anything now. "We care less about repair as most would rather just scrap that broken TV and get a new one. The electronic and small appliance repair store are all but gone" [2] [2] https://qr.ae/pv5PjI

Re: When the push button was new, people were freaked

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> Today, you’d probably have to schedule an electrician to fix what some children back then knew how to make: electric bells, buttons, and buzzers. Where I live you are technically not allowed to install equipment on 120 or 240 if you are not a certified electrician. Insurance won't cover water damage if installation hasn't been done by a professional plumber. People still do it, but this is not going in the right di…

I completely disagree...

on the trend you back up, I see a future where you cannot cook your own food unless you've become a professional specialist of cooking (for food safety).

going to cartoon levels of ridiculousness, a society in which you cannot do anything other than consume unless you're doing a job (which would involve safety, insurance, and other various legal and bureaucratic requirements).

what keeps things sane where you live is the 'technically' aspect. which I read as "individuals often ignore those rules for personal reasons (meaning when no businesses are involved)"...

Re: When the push button was new, people were freaked

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> Today, you’d probably have to schedule an electrician to fix what some children back then knew how to make: electric bells, buttons, and buzzers. Where I live you are technically not allowed to install equipment on 120 or 240 if you are not a certified electrician. Insurance won't cover water damage if installation hasn't been done by a professional plumber. People still do it, but this is not going in the right di…

But it keeps work coming to the electricians' and plumbers' unions (motto: "If you didn't make any mistakes, you're not working fast enough"), and isn't that the important thing?

Re: When the push button was new, people were freaked

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post #22

Let's return to the button where possible. I often prefer physical buttons due to the feedback I get. I know it does nothing, but I'll still press extra hard on a stupid touchscreen if it's not responding. On how touchscreens are over-used for the sake of updating without physical constraints. "The software guys can independently do the design of the UI, changing things down to the very last moment, or even after the…

> Let's return to the button where possible. I often prefer physical buttons due to the feedback I get. I know it does nothing, but I'll still press extra hard on a stupid touchscreen if it's not responding.

Unless, of course, your phone is one of the few where pushing harder will make it perform a different action, if used in the right place (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force_Touch).

> On how touchscreens are over-used for the sake of updating without physical constraints. "The software guys can independently do the design of the UI, changing things down to the very last moment, or even after the last moment if the car can be updated." [1] [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32494497

This is akin to frontend developers doing everything in their power to make their development environment the most comfortable, while sacrificing end-user performance/bandwidth/usability for getting it.

Re: When the push button was new, people were freaked

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post #18

Poppycock. The concept of mechanical push (and pull) buttons have been long present in locks and alarm triggers long before electricity was introduced to general public.

As the article points out.

Yes, but in my opinion, much of the mental exercise in the article and the book is based on how the electric push button was an entirely new concept.

Re: When the push button was new, people were freaked

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post #16

> Today, you’d probably have to schedule an electrician to fix what some children back then knew how to make: electric bells, buttons, and buzzers. "Some" is doing a ton of work in this sentence describing 19th century children.

And is probably as applicable to a geeky subset of 21st century children.

It seems like basically the same problem, really. The "some" is a small chunk of the population maybe, but it is the chunk that is interested in this sort of stuff and would normally use this as a stepping stone on the path to designing the next thing.

The hope is that our abstractions are not too good, and the clever kids manage to bash them into something that does what their imagination wants.

Re: When the push button was new, people were freaked

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> Today, you’d probably have to schedule an electrician to fix what some children back then knew how to make: electric bells, buttons, and buzzers. Where I live you are technically not allowed to install equipment on 120 or 240 if you are not a certified electrician. Insurance won't cover water damage if installation hasn't been done by a professional plumber. People still do it, but this is not going in the right di…

This is very much like this in Australia. I had friends warning me against setting up my own pendant light because of insurance and other blabla and was denied to buy some electrical cables at the local hardware shop as I wasn't certified even though I hold a bachelor in electronics .... Compared that to France where I spent time at uni building my own guitar amplifier for my bachelor thesis, manipulating 300V-500V and blowing a couple valve along the process, ha fun time

Re: When the push button was new, people were freaked

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post #22

Let's return to the button where possible. I often prefer physical buttons due to the feedback I get. I know it does nothing, but I'll still press extra hard on a stupid touchscreen if it's not responding. On how touchscreens are over-used for the sake of updating without physical constraints. "The software guys can independently do the design of the UI, changing things down to the very last moment, or even after the…

> Let's return to the button where possible. I often prefer physical buttons due to the feedback I get. I know it does nothing, but I'll still press extra hard on a stupid touchscreen if it's not responding. Unless, of course, your phone is one of the few where pushing harder will make it perform a different action, if used in the right place ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force_Touch ). > On how touchscreens are ov…

Force Touch was discontinued in 2019 and replaced with a simple “long press” feature called Haptic Touch. iPhone 11 and later and Apple Watch 6 and onwards don’t have the pressure sensitive layer anymore.

Re: When the push button was new, people were freaked

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post #16

> Today, you’d probably have to schedule an electrician to fix what some children back then knew how to make: electric bells, buttons, and buzzers. "Some" is doing a ton of work in this sentence describing 19th century children.

And is probably as applicable to a geeky subset of 21st century children.

And the "normal" children just visit YouTube and search for "how to fix a doorbell".
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