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Re: Harrison Bergeron (1961)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

i think this: https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/petr-kropotkin-the-c...

Could be. Tabbed for later. Thx. edit: I have that site bookmarked already, and browse there from time to time.

conquest of bread is a fundamental anarcho-communist book and kind of addresses some of those themes you linked if you draw your own conclusions while reading it

Re: Harrison Bergeron (1961)

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This story had an amazing effect on me as a child and before it begins, yes I have a disability (though a so called invisible disability - I have type 1 diabetes and epilepsy). It isn't that we should turn a blind eye to the disabled, as many use it as a parable for. Many disabled do need extra help, but that help comes in the form of lifting up, not pushing down those who are able. The able should be encouraged, in…

Interesting. I've always felt the story to be a bit of a straw man. Don't we always celebrate and idolize ability, beauty etc?

>Don't we always celebrate and idolize ability, beauty etc?

It's a complex terrain to navigate, I think. The German term "schadenfreude" comes to mind, specifically, in direct contrast to that. For example, would you say the Kardashian family is celebrated or despised?

Re: Harrison Bergeron (1961)

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Captive to our smartphones, distracted constantly by an endless succession of oh-so-important notifications for trivial things. Who in modern life does not feel a little like Harrison Bergeron with his federally-mandated thought-train-interrupting earpiece? And who among us cannot sympathize with Albert Brock, The Murderer? https://www.readkong.com/page/the-murderer-by-ray-bradbury-8...

It is baffling that Bradbury was able to write The Murderer in 1953. The transistor was invented in 1947 and the first fully transistorized radio wasn't available until a year after Bradbury published this, but he got all the way through predicting ringtones, smartwatches, housing automation, GPS digital dispatch/gig economy jobs, and smarmy digital assistants in the span of a single story. I am not aware of a more p…

Ever read Bradbury's "The Veldt"?

Makes you wonder if Bradbury wasn't a real life John Titor.

Re: Harrison Bergeron (1961)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting. I've always felt the story to be a bit of a straw man. Don't we always celebrate and idolize ability, beauty etc?

There have been school districts lately that have been getting rid of advanced math classes in the name of equality.

Do you have a source for this claim? Sounds incredible.

Re: Harrison Bergeron (1961)

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This story had an amazing effect on me as a child and before it begins, yes I have a disability (though a so called invisible disability - I have type 1 diabetes and epilepsy). It isn't that we should turn a blind eye to the disabled, as many use it as a parable for. Many disabled do need extra help, but that help comes in the form of lifting up, not pushing down those who are able. The able should be encouraged, in…

Interesting. I've always felt the story to be a bit of a straw man. Don't we always celebrate and idolize ability, beauty etc?

Accusing a ‘science fiction’ story of strawmanning is pretty weird.

Moreover, ‘Harrison Bergeron’ can easily be paralleled to Bulgakov's ‘Heart of a Dog’, which is a direct jab at the early Soviet Union. However, idk if Vonnegut was interested in that or read Bulgakov.

Re: Harrison Bergeron (1961)

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/me thinks reading https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Jante https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tall_poppy_syndrome https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Moral_Basis_of_a_Backward_... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_selection_(politics) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kakistocracy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keeping_up_with_the_Joneses https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_men…

Need art be productive?

Re: Harrison Bergeron (1961)

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/me thinks reading https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Jante https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tall_poppy_syndrome https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Moral_Basis_of_a_Backward_... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_selection_(politics) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kakistocracy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keeping_up_with_the_Joneses https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_men…

Yes, the best way to deal with social knowledge is to memorize the list of biases and sociopolitical behaviors from Wikipedia, and to recite the fitting ones when anything relevant comes up.

Can't parse if satiric, or not, distracted ATM. But if satiric, why would that be a bad thing, to be able to point to a generalized concept, the essence, which otherwise requires much more words to describe? Like 'Gell-Mann-Amnesia' f.i.?

Re: Harrison Bergeron (1961)

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I've known that something like this story exists forever, it seems, but upon reading it all I can think about is the woke-ism that seeks to cripple society by making every little non-conformity a problem, and not celebrating differences.

It made me really angry... took a moment to wind down.

Diana Moon Clampers -- the perfect social justice warrior.

Re: Harrison Bergeron (1961)

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The enforced equality of outcome is extended into the extreme. So is it of value when not in the extreme?

One of the many reasons I hated this story when I read it in high school was because it's kind of a straw man with no shades of gray or nuance, and thus felt like kind of a dumb thing to discuss.
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