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Gas Leak in the Baltic Sea
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Why would the US care if they were seen as doing it when they already announced that they were going to do it[1]? 1. https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1490792461979078662
This would probably be helped by some kind of citation, or at least an explanation of what is meant here.
It is linked above. https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1490792461979078662
It is a tweet posted in February 7th by ABC News:
Pres. Biden: "If Russia invades...then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it."
Reporter: "But how will you do that, exactly, since...the project is in Germany's control?"
Biden: "I promise you, we will be able to do that."
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#93What is the status of insurance of those pipelines?
If there's still someone obliged to foot the bill in case of a catastrophic failure, it might create an incentive to just destroy everything.
Of course proof of sabotage would get in the way of that, but the leaks are not particularly accessible at the moment.
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Sabotage makes sense, but by whom? Surely Russia has no interest in sabotaging the pipelines that give them leverage over Europe. Without the pipelines, the whole "you lift the sanctions, we deliver natural gas" game is gone. Even if unlikely to happen, it would have been an important psychological and political factor over the winter. Meanwhile European powers don't seem to have an incentive. They would benefit from…
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When I was in Germany their Prime Minister (Gerhard Schröder) was deeply invested with crony capitalist Russian businesses. He was a big fan of Vladimir Putin and used some (valid) criticisms of George Bush and the Iraq war to push germany more towards dependency on Russian energy. You should start with that before railing against American's.
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Europe didn't need the gas [1] [2]. Russia has nothing to lose by sabotaging it. Don't forget that Russia had already slowed/slopped NS1 by this point. [1] https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/15747542772681031... "Those shipments are enough to cover a complete halt in Russian pipeline flows from Oct. 1." [2] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-27/europe-is... (paywalled version of the original quot…
Why link to a tweet that quotes Bloomberg and not the Bloomberg article directly? https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-27/europe-is...
The article is paywalled for me but I'll update my comment.
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#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
It could be an independent ideological rogue actor —although honestly I don’t know if small private organizations have the necessary tools to sabotage this thing.
Related? https://www.youtube.com/shorts/eGk1si6dOKU
If this were the ‘70s it would be plausible. But this seems unnecessary and hamfisted. We have Germany in our pocket policywise, so it’s really unnecessary.
But there could be an ideological angle or an insurance angle.
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#97Could it be because the line was underused because of russia lately and the pressure went down? It could be sabotage, but russia can always just turn the tap off. In fact, why would they want to sabotage their instrument of blackmail ?
Whatever the cause or the motivation behind this, the gas pipeline is no longer functional as an instrument of blackmail. It is useless to Russia now.
yes. there is no blackmail possible and there is no flow of molecules. everyone is worse off except influencial people in russia who do not control gazprom and perhaps the US, but their LNG infrastructure was at max capacity anyway.
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#98I read talks of sabotage but I struggle to understand the point, surely russia wouldn’t sabotage their own pipelines (they can just shut them) and I understand they are not in use right now. In fact doesn’t that mean that the pipeline will be flooded? Is that recoverable?
Why don't you include the US and EU as the possible saboteurs? I mean we have the whole Gulf of Tonkin incident as precedence.
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#99The Swedish national seismic network picked up two explosions within kilometers of the reported gas leak locations yesterday. The time of the first explosion: Yesterday, Monday morning at 02:03 am, second one Monday evening at 7:04pm (local time, CEST). The reports of the gas leaks came at 1:52pm and 8:41pm, respectively - by means of ships reporting bubbling at the surface level. One of the two events registered at…
Act of war by USA? (equivalent if done through ally)
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Nobody in Germany are blaming "Ukrainian sabotage".
Many are hinting at Russia and some individual AfD politicians on twitter are blaming the US.