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Re: Gas Leak in the Baltic Sea

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I read talks of sabotage but I struggle to understand the point, surely russia wouldn’t sabotage their own pipelines (they can just shut them) and I understand they are not in use right now. In fact doesn’t that mean that the pipeline will be flooded? Is that recoverable?

Why don't you include the US and EU as the possible saboteurs? I mean we have the whole Gulf of Tonkin incident as precedence.

Re: Gas Leak in the Baltic Sea

#72
post #4

I read talks of sabotage but I struggle to understand the point, surely russia wouldn’t sabotage their own pipelines (they can just shut them) and I understand they are not in use right now. In fact doesn’t that mean that the pipeline will be flooded? Is that recoverable?

One reason I could imagine Russia herself would do this is because they might assume Nordstream is now an essentially obsolete asset, so has more value in their ability to demonstrate the fragility of OTHER gas pipelines, including the one inaugurated this very day between Norway and Poland. ed: https://twitter.com/ASabadus/status/1574729027570769920 Also, Apparently Norway has recently warned about drone activity ne…

Yeah, I assume this is Russia gesturing to that new Norwegian pipeline and saying "nice pipeline, it'd be a shame if something were to happen to it".

Re: Gas Leak in the Baltic Sea

#73
post #5
post #4

I read talks of sabotage but I struggle to understand the point, surely russia wouldn’t sabotage their own pipelines (they can just shut them) and I understand they are not in use right now. In fact doesn’t that mean that the pipeline will be flooded? Is that recoverable?

I've only thought about it for a minute- but I might speculate that it is a signal from Russia- "even if we decide we want to turn the gas back on, you might not be able to get it when you want it."

Incentives don’t align for Russia (lose revenue) and Russia could just turn off the gas if it wanted to. Putin is a wildcard, but still, if he wanted to “teach Europe a lesson” he would just come out and say I’m turning the gas off, freeze to death.

Also, Biden promised that they had the capability and desire to take out the pipelines if Russia invaded so there is that. Plus, the US would stand to profit from exporting LNG to Germany.

Re: Gas Leak in the Baltic Sea

#75
Might be shocking to some, but not all of Russia is one people. There are multiple interests there among country's leaders. And one such interest: to get rid off Putin's regime quickly. One way of doing this is to prevent any notion of "restorable" economic relationships with Europe under Putin. Without Gas, who needs Putin's Russia...

A prediction: we will see more of such actions in the coming months, leading to the winter

Re: Gas Leak in the Baltic Sea

#76
post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not a conspiracy theory. Some group conspired to sabotage the pipelines. It’s a conspiracy fact. The only theoretical aspect is who did it and that’s more of a hypothesis at this point. It’s a conspiracy hypothesis.

Could we please have at least a shred of evidence of sabotage before we move on to the phase where we conclude there was sabotage? Sorry to be a stickler about major geopolitical crises.

Two pipelines bust at once on Nord 1 and 2?

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/sep/27/nord-stream...

Re: Gas Leak in the Baltic Sea

#77
post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not a conspiracy theory. Some group conspired to sabotage the pipelines. It’s a conspiracy fact. The only theoretical aspect is who did it and that’s more of a hypothesis at this point. It’s a conspiracy hypothesis.

Could we please have at least a shred of evidence of sabotage before we move on to the phase where we conclude there was sabotage? Sorry to be a stickler about major geopolitical crises.

There are 3 separate but simultaneous "accidents" on the pipelines. Do you have a proposal which would explain that and not involve sabotage?

Re: Gas Leak in the Baltic Sea

#78

Another thread on the topic here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32993521 And since you're going to speculate, it's worth knowing: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-27/europe-is...

>And since you're going to speculate, it's worth knowing: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-27/europe-is...

Price signal and capitalism at work. Greedy bastards always find a way to move goods around efficiently while getting rich.

Re: Gas Leak in the Baltic Sea

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another conspiracy theory is, that Russia did it, to sow these types of doubt.

Isn't that exactly from their playbook? I mean the neofascist book by Dugin about pseudo-geopolitics that they made required reading at the military universities. "Foundation of Geopolitics" is the name.

This is every nation states playbook.
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