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Gas Leak in the Baltic Sea

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Re: Gas Leak in the Baltic Sea

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I wonder who RUptured it?

> RUptured Hard to believe, they have nothing to gain from this.

They can gain much - gas reserves in Europe during winter to small -> no chance for sanctions on Russian gas.

This is the same they did with the "repairs" for NS1 which stopped gas to Germany for few weeks (or months I don't remember exactly).

Re: Gas Leak in the Baltic Sea

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Sabotage makes sense, but by whom? Surely Russia has no interest in sabotaging the pipelines that give them leverage over Europe. Without the pipelines, the whole "you lift the sanctions, we deliver natural gas" game is gone. Even if unlikely to happen, it would have been an important psychological and political factor over the winter. Meanwhile European powers don't seem to have an incentive. They would benefit from…

It could be an independent ideological rogue actor —although honestly I don’t know if small private organizations have the necessary tools to sabotage this thing.

Related? https://www.youtube.com/shorts/eGk1si6dOKU

Re: Gas Leak in the Baltic Sea

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I've only thought about it for a minute- but I might speculate that it is a signal from Russia- "even if we decide we want to turn the gas back on, you might not be able to get it when you want it."

Dear Russia Thanks for confirming so clearly that you are an untrustworthy and manipulative partner. Best, -The Rest of Europe.

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Re: Gas Leak in the Baltic Sea

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More details: Although neither was in operation, both pipelines [Nordstream 1 and 2] still contained gas under pressure. Poland’s Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki said the leaks were caused by sabotage, while his Danish counterpart Mette Frederiksen said it was “hard to imagine” they were a “coincidence”. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/9/27/sweden-issues-warni...

Sabotage makes sense, but by whom? Surely Russia has no interest in sabotaging the pipelines that give them leverage over Europe. Without the pipelines, the whole "you lift the sanctions, we deliver natural gas" game is gone. Even if unlikely to happen, it would have been an important psychological and political factor over the winter. Meanwhile European powers don't seem to have an incentive. They would benefit from…

> Surely Russia has no interest in sabotaging the pipelines that give them leverage over Europe.

Apart from a false-flag operation by Putin to have a casus belli to start a war with NATO?

Normally, that would be suicide. But Putin has already proven that he, to put it diplomatically, does not see the world the way most sane people see it.

Re: Gas Leak in the Baltic Sea

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Sabotage makes sense, but by whom? Surely Russia has no interest in sabotaging the pipelines that give them leverage over Europe. Without the pipelines, the whole "you lift the sanctions, we deliver natural gas" game is gone. Even if unlikely to happen, it would have been an important psychological and political factor over the winter. Meanwhile European powers don't seem to have an incentive. They would benefit from…

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This to me seems the most likely. If they are afraid EU countries, like Italy, which many of the leaders of the party are against the war in Ukraine, might not support the war, freezing them out this winter might push them to change their mind.

Re: Gas Leak in the Baltic Sea

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It’s not a conspiracy theory. Some group conspired to sabotage the pipelines. It’s a conspiracy fact. The only theoretical aspect is who did it and that’s more of a hypothesis at this point. It’s a conspiracy hypothesis.

Could we please have at least a shred of evidence of sabotage before we move on to the phase where we conclude there was sabotage? Sorry to be a stickler about major geopolitical crises.

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Re: Gas Leak in the Baltic Sea

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Could it be because the line was underused because of russia lately and the pressure went down? It could be sabotage, but russia can always just turn the tap off. In fact, why would they want to sabotage their instrument of blackmail ?

Whatever the cause or the motivation behind this, the gas pipeline is no longer functional as an instrument of blackmail. It is useless to Russia now.
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