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Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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- When sharing a whole screen or a window, the teams application is forcibly minimised, regardless of whether teams in on that display or not.

Thank you all so much for this list! It's really going to come in handy with my custom Teams client, OperCom! https://opercom.co.uk

This is the kind of website design I can get behind.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Microsoft had several different non-interoperable message apps, including two named "Messenger." Those golden days didn't look so shiny when we were there. Luckily, there was Pidgin/Adium, so we could have one app to talk all the protocols.

Trillian before that

Pidgin (called Gaim) released December 31, 1998 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pidgin_(software)

Trillian (propritary) released July 1, 2000 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trillian_(software)

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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post #214

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Trillian before that

and ICQ long before that …

ICQ is not the same thing, that one used a single protocol. Pidgin/Adium/Trillian was able to talk with ICQ users and others without installing several applications.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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I wonder how there's so much difference. Don't programmers working at VS Code and Teams interact with each other?

Could very well be that the PM/PO of the VSCode project has actual dev-experience as well ?

I read somewhere else that VS Code is maintained by the GitHub team, is that correct?

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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.net native application per platform, with WebView2 views but logic moved to some .net language, probably C#. I believe all application logic is moving to .net with the visible elements being HTML & CSS, but do not remember where I read it, so take it with a grain of salt. if there was mention of react native, I do not remember it, but I gloss right over mentions of most web frameworks, so it may play a role.

It's surprising that nobody has mentioned that MS is calling this Teams 2.0. They're rewriting to React with WebView2. I don't believe any of the functionality will be in the C#, but we'll see. It's probably worth me mentioning that I'm building a Teams client using Typescript and Tauri! https://opercom.co.uk

you can check here now if you want to.

https://github.com/ItzLevvie/MicrosoftTeams-msinternal/tree/...

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Thank you all so much for this list! It's really going to come in handy with my custom Teams client, OperCom! https://opercom.co.uk

This is the kind of website design I can get behind.

Haha thanks, sadly it's probably going to have to change for something a bit more visually appealing.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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I would love to get this done quick. Do you have a link to something usable?

This depends almost entirely on what exactly you are hosting. Is it a Node.js app? ASP.NET? Windows? Linux? In Visual Studio it is more-or-less as simple as right-clicking a project and selecting "Add -> Docker support": https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/architecture/contai... In Azure DevOps pipelines or GitHub Actions, it's also quite simple to add a container build step: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/az…

Sorry but I don't want to install Microsoft's text editor to deploy an app.

It's a basic next.js app, nothing special.

I tried the app service config on GitHub actions and it was ridiculous to say the least. 15 minutes to copy the files over and then it didn't launch the app correctly even after I specified how to launch it. Pitfalls at every step.

It's like the UI was designed by a child.

You're saying a lot of "just", and to be honest those tasks aren't simple things that I can just do. For example having a docker registry that I now have to secure and babysit is not what I'm here for.

I'm not sure why you're trying to argue that Azure is good.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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I would love to get this done quick. Do you have a link to something usable?

This depends almost entirely on what exactly you are hosting. Is it a Node.js app? ASP.NET? Windows? Linux? In Visual Studio it is more-or-less as simple as right-clicking a project and selecting "Add -> Docker support": https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/architecture/contai... In Azure DevOps pipelines or GitHub Actions, it's also quite simple to add a container build step: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/az…

Also I don't want to have the Devs in my team have to use containers where had no need for them before. It's not a nice cross platform experience.

Sorry if I'm sounding defensive here, but I'm really not into having a worse experience just to fit I to Microsoft's hellscape.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Have you never sent a message with images just to later find out that the message wasn't sent and it wouldn't even show up on the chat so you could retry? Have you never tried to join a meeting where teams made you just sit there for a minute until you decide to restart it? Have you ever called someone at the same time as they call you, ending you with teams saying that they are calling you at the same time as you ar…

Now that you say it, I might have lost an image once? Maybe our usage is just to basic; it's a tool for voice/video calls/meetings and some basic chatting. We can't even attach files anymore because our company doesn't really use teams and didn't extend the necessary licence (only our team/suborg is allowed to use it, since we need something like it and the internal alternative is not built, yet... Don't ask, not my…

Fair points, maybe it really just boils down to how much load the companies put on teams.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Have you never sent a message with images just to later find out that the message wasn't sent and it wouldn't even show up on the chat so you could retry? Have you never tried to join a meeting where teams made you just sit there for a minute until you decide to restart it? Have you ever called someone at the same time as they call you, ending you with teams saying that they are calling you at the same time as you ar…

I have experienced several things on that list, a long time ago. I haven't lost an image in the past year. It seems these days when I call someone when they're calling me it just connects and works and connects. I don't have issues with missed notifications. I'm using the Windows client though.

That bit about connecting when two people call at the same time just happened to me as well yesterday, so it seems things are improving, albeit slowly (better than no improvements).
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