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Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by xattt »

roydivision wrote: post #379

My 2 cents of venting on this sorry excuse of software - Backtick formatting in a chat post only works after typing the closing backtick, deleting it, re-typing it - Text copied from a conversation is polluted with names and time stamps. "I really want this feature" said nobody ever - The mute/unmute button is hard to find, I don't think I've ever attended a Teams meeting without someone struggling with this. Teams s…

> - Media handling is inconsistent, sometimes I can't paste photos, sometimes I can

I think this has something to do with the input format of the file being pasted. I’ve been able to work around this by first copying the image I want to share into WordPad and then into Teams.

I also don’t know if this is a policy set by my IT department to reduce the bandwidth consumption from external aniGIFs.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by freedom2099 »

Is it though? I use on in Mac and it never crashes… I routinely change mic and headset midcall with no issues whatsoever! Or seamlessly transfer calls from Mac to iPhone and back. My entire company uses it (and we are thousand employees) and we are pretty satisfied!

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by rawoke083600 »

psnehanshu wrote: post #297
mr_toad wrote: post #264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It isn't because Microsoft lacks good programmers. Their products targeted to other programmers seem to be nicer to work with. E.g. VS Code, C#, SQL Server. The products aimed at the ‘knowledge workers’, like Teams, and SharePoint are garbage.

I wonder how there's so much difference. Don't programmers working at VS Code and Teams interact with each other?

Could very well be that the PM/PO of the VSCode project has actual dev-experience as well ?

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by yrro »

2022 and Microsoft still can't write a program that correctly uses the clipboard.

When I select "some text" and press Ctrl-C I want "some text" in the clipboard. Not this monstrosity:

    [09:57] John Smith:
    some text
I can't believe anyone inside MS uses Teams for serious communication. It must surely drive them mad!

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by MagerValp »

roydivision wrote: post #379

My 2 cents of venting on this sorry excuse of software - Backtick formatting in a chat post only works after typing the closing backtick, deleting it, re-typing it - Text copied from a conversation is polluted with names and time stamps. "I really want this feature" said nobody ever - The mute/unmute button is hard to find, I don't think I've ever attended a Teams meeting without someone struggling with this. Teams s…

- @name stops working if you leave it running for a while

- Image uploads to a chat failing for no apparent reason

- No obvious way of sharing/reposting an image or document from another chat

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by fuzzy2 »

skc wrote: post #399
fuzzy2 wrote: post #374

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Teams truly is that bad. But perhaps it takes power users to see that. A regular user might just give up instead of ranting about it on the net. It’s not that it doesn’t work. It’s that it’s not reliable and performance is bad.

What does a Teams power user look like?

I’m not referring to Teams power users, but PC power users in general. You know, people that actually care about snappy performance, consistent behavior and whatnot. Working with the PC instead of against it. Knowing why.

My experience is that even many of my developer colleagues are not power users. They happily rebuild thrice in Visual Studio without even questioning the need for that. They perform strange rituals to make things happen. They resigned to the fact that everything is dog slow.

I cannot settle for that, so I rant.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by bartread »

roydivision wrote: post #379

My 2 cents of venting on this sorry excuse of software - Backtick formatting in a chat post only works after typing the closing backtick, deleting it, re-typing it - Text copied from a conversation is polluted with names and time stamps. "I really want this feature" said nobody ever - The mute/unmute button is hard to find, I don't think I've ever attended a Teams meeting without someone struggling with this. Teams s…

I'll add more:

- Fries CPU and GPU on video calls, making it difficult to use other applications or demo when screensharing

- Interacts unfavourably with at least some WiFi drivers leading to unidirectional and bidirectional losses of connectivity

- Copy and paste randomly break so you can't copy content from Teams or paste anything into it; applies to both text and images

- Doesn't honour setting not to automatically restart which makes it hard to kill when it needs to be restarted

- Automatic restart means it often restarts before it's cleanly shutdown leading to reoccurrence of the problem you tried to kill it for in the first place, or other random bugs and instabilities

- Too slow to start up and load channels: show the cached content immediately - stop blocking on bloody network calls like it's the 1980s and you've never written any code that calls over a network before

- Causes system instability on video calls with multiple participants

- No feedback on image paste/upload: is it uploading or not? You don't know. Leads to images that you thought hadn't worked just randomly appearing in the middle of typing - not very helpful. Put a placeholder (ideally correctly sized) where the image will go on the client whilst it's uploading and then get out of the way.

- Doesn't seem to be possible to resize/rescale images

Could think of plenty more but I should do some work.

(And, despite all of the above, it's still probably the best of a bad bunch - Hangouts call quality is often terrible, and Zoom is just a complete mess when it comes to anything beyond the basic video calling functionality.)

Re: Ask HN: Why is Microsoft Teams still so bad?

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Post by pmontra »

shadowofneptune wrote: post #285
thekingofrome wrote: post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TIL people in the US use SMS

Why don't people use it elsewhere? I know that WhatsApp is dominant, but why?

What other replies already said, plus the UX. If they could write WhatsApp (or Telegram) using SMS and their multimedia siblings (can't even remember the name) as transport, then maybe people with unlimited SMS plans could use it. But the standard SMS app UX is so much worse than the UX of those chats. Add groups and all the other features. SMS are to get notifications from banks and credit cards :-)

I add a data point on costs and volumes. I have a 90 GB monthly data cap on my phone but I have only either 100 or 1000 free SMS per month, can't remember because I don't use them. I'm probably not sending 1000 messages per month (but it's only 33 per day), definitely more than 100. I don't want to discover that I run out of messages on the 22nd of September so I won't be using them as a hidden transport in a chat app.

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