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Re: Someday aliens will land and all will be fine until we explain our calendar

#842
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That would be significantly less funny and interesting.

It would be exactly as funny and exactly as interesting, which is to say: not very. This is right up there with noticing that sometimes the "b" in certain English words is completely silent! Haha isn't that totally irrational and crazy you guys??

Well, there are some languages that semi-regularly update their orthographies to better match their pronunciations.

And yes, the grammarians arbitrarily inserting random silent letter into middle of the words so those look more regular or match the (supposed) etymologies are annoying. English "doubt" never historically had "b" inside it either written or spoken: it was "dout", and it was pronounced like this. Same happened to French "doigt" — it used to be "doit" for as long as language itself was called French, but then some Latin-loving guy decided to stick "g" in so that it would be more obvious that the word descended from Latin "digitus".

Re: Someday aliens will land and all will be fine until we explain our calendar

#843

In Portuguese, Monday-Friday are numbered (2a-feira - 6a-feira). I wonder if are there other languages also presenting this feature. I believe there are.

Chinese numbers the days of the week, starting from 1 for Monday, but with a special name for Sunday, it seems.

I don't speak, or read, Chinese, but translate.google.com confirms this.

I am often curious about how Chinese expresses something, so I ask translate.google.com to translate an expression into Chinese, then I change the direction of translation and insert newlines between the Chinese characters. It's not a very reliable way of investigating how Chinese works, of course, but it's a lot faster than trawling through wiktionary.org. If anyone knows of a better way of getting an answer to that sort of question, please reply here!

Re: Someday aliens will land and all will be fine until we explain our calendar

#844
post #630

This is a boring way to respond to a post that obviously tries to be funny, but I don't find it funny. There's nothing special about Gregorian calendar. It is shit and unorganized just like hundreds of other things that are shit and unorganized, and would make life easier if we could replace them with something better (which already exists, or very realistically can be designed) via absolutely massive organizational…

> all sorts of different clothes' size standards surely can be replaced by one that would actually make sense

Like, imagine if those sizes were equal to some actual body part measurements (or the garment's dimensions itself, whatever) in millimetres/centimetres?

Re: Someday aliens will land and all will be fine until we explain our calendar

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> "uh, it's supposed to be the birth of a religious leader, but they got the math wrong so it's off by 4 years, if he existed at all." > "if? You based your calendar off the birth date of someone you're not sure exists?" I find it quite offensive. Not all scholars agree that Jesus was raised from dead, but the existence of Jesus is accepted even by non-Christian scholars. > Virtually all scholars of antiquity agree t…

What do you mean you find it offensive?

Are you offended at the assertion that people doubt that Jesus existed at all? As one data point I can assure you that I personally doubt that Jesus existed at all.

Are you offended by people doubting that Jesus existed? If you are a Christian then you are a believer in one of the hundreds of religions from around the world. To be offended that someone doubts the existence of the figures in your holy book is an amazing egotistical statement. Should a follower of Zoroastrianism be offended by someone who doubts the existence of Ahura Mazda?

Are you offended by people doubting that Jesus existed because there are references to him from contemporary historical records? Well I feel that Christianity and other religions have a long record of shamelessly rewriting history and so I basically don't trust anything written down on this subject at all.

Re: Someday aliens will land and all will be fine until we explain our calendar

#846
post #369

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This is incorrect. The US is hardly the only country where people consider Sunday to be the first day of the week. Anyone with some understanding of the history of our weekdays does so, and that historical understanding is not limited to Americans. It's also not true that the US is the only country to use 12h time; many countries do. Including mine. If you need to write time without ambiguity, you use the 24h format,…

What country is that? I’ve only really seen 12h time in America and it’s colonies.

In Finland its common to use 12h time in conversation. Digital clocks are 24 hours, but many people still use analog clocks, which are always 12 hours.

And for what its worth, the name for Wednesday, keskiviiko, means midweek.

Re: Someday aliens will land and all will be fine until we explain our calendar

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The thing that would've brought it around for me is a punchline where the alien says something like "wow, your system is so clean and simple compared to ours". I do think there's a certain degree of humor when looking back at history. There are plenty of things to laugh at in hindsight. But the thing that rubs me wrong is the undertone that this is somehow a distinctly human trait or inherently a bad thing. That some…

There's also a bunch of less subtle assumptions, like the obviousness of base 10. That comes from us having ten fingers, right? It's easy to imagine aliens having six fingers on each hand and then assuming that base 12 is the most obvious and logical base to use for everything.

There's no reason to suppose that an intelligent alien race would find it convenient to count things in base that matches the number of "fingers" they have, if they even have such a thing.

Whales aren't far from being intelligent enough to form a technical civilization, but their body plan makes it unlikely that they'd use their "fingers" (or fins) to count, or to communicate with other whales.

Even if you gave an alien two human hands and knew that their counting system's base was derived from physical features of their "hands" it's not obvious that they'd come up with either base-5 or base-10 if they where starting from first principles.

We have 3 joints that make up our fingers, but the "base 10" assumes we only use one of those. It's not obvious that even a close relative to humans wouldn't come up with base-20 or base-30 just from counting using their fingers.

If you straighten or bend your wrist to add an "extra" finger for counting you're now counting in base-6 on one hand, base-12 on both. Do the same with your elbow joint and you're base-7 and base-14, respectively.

Re: Someday aliens will land and all will be fine until we explain our calendar

#848
post #747

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> Per my knowledge US is the only country which stubbornly (and illogically) considers Sunday to be the first day of the week; Not correct, as others have pointed out. Regardless, why is it more or less logical for any particular day to be considered the start of the week? Hell, it seems that even in several countries that use Monday as the first day of the week, the names of the day reflect that Monday is the second…

Do you consider Sunday to be part of the weekend?

Why not? The head and the tail are both ends.

Re: Someday aliens will land and all will be fine until we explain our calendar

#849
All measurements used to be a mess: lengths, weights, and so on. At the French revolution, they broke the status quo by introducing the metric system. Originally, the metric system also included a new calendar:

- One day has 10 hours.

- One hour is divided in units of 10, 100, 1000 (probably deci/centi/milli hours).

- One week has ten days.

- Each year starts at the fall equinox.

This calendar was used for 14 years. Then, Napoleon decided to bring back the previous calendar system as he reintroduced Catholicism as a state religion. Indeed the revolution calendar was purposely anti-christian: it moved the first year from the birth of JC to the year of the French revolution. Several religious events like Easter were hard to compute. Christmas was the day of the dog...

Anyway, we could have got a calendar system that makes sense, but History decided otherwise.

Re: Someday aliens will land and all will be fine until we explain our calendar

#850

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I disagree. Moon is the closest celestial body to earth and we have historically been able to make very accurate observations and calculations based on its orbit and waxing and waning phases.

I need to know if it's day or night. for obvious reasons. I need to know if its summer or winter for temperature. When was the last time you planned a holiday for the waning phase of the moon?

That depends, have you heard of Easter?
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