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Re: The Framework Laptop Chromebook Edition

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Post by ShirleyMarquez »

ddxv wrote: post #46
nrp wrote: post #2

I'm happy to answer questions anyone has on this product!

Apologies for the direct question, but I've wondered, how does this make sense for your business? Chromebooks have typically been seen as cheap versions of laptops but Frameworks is priced above the average Chromebook price. Is there a sense that there is an untapped 'premium' chromebook audience or will this make sense even without that. Perhaps you're looking for large/discounted partnerships with educational organ…

There are some other premium Chromebooks. Google started things off with the Pixelbook, which it appears they are now discontinuing. HP and Samsung have produced some high end Chromebooks.

They're a niche market: C-level executives at companies that use Chromebooks, developers at those companies, Linux fans who will mostly use the Chromebook to run Linux apps. They make more economic sense as an adaptation of a laptop that is already being sold for other markets rather than as a dedicated product.

The Pixelbook line never did enough volume for Google to make money on it. It was a proof of concept, a way of showing that a Chromebook didn't have to just mean a low end and cheaply built Acer or the like, but could be something that higher end users would happily use and not be ashamed to be seen with when they do a presentation. Now that other companies are making premium Chromebooks, there is no longer a need for Google to produce them.

Re: The Framework Laptop Chromebook Edition

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Post by iszomer »

kweingar wrote: post #435
quicklime wrote: post #393

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It's not quite the same as "guest mode" on ChromeOS, but I make user accounts (no sudo) for non-technical family members and let them use my machines unsupervised. What are you worried about here? Should I be worried?

It depends on how much you trust your family members and whether you worry about non-root malware. Looking at my Linux machine, I notice that the default permission for home directories is 755. If I don’t think to tweak that, then I’m potentially exposing a lot of sensitive data to other users (and potentially the programs they run). I’m a proficient Linux user but not an expert, and I’m racking my brains to think of…

> I’m racking my brains to think of what else might be exposed to other users on my machine.

Including root?

Re: The Framework Laptop Chromebook Edition

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Post by warent »

boldlybold wrote: post #219
warent wrote: post #195

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I'm using 12th gen processor, latest versions of Ubuntu and Linux Ubuntu: Ubuntu 22.04.1 LTS Linux: 5.17.0-051700-generic The only problems I've had so far is the "brightness" fn keys don't work, and bluetooth isn't great with certain devices like Airpods. The brightness keys isn't a big deal, can still set brightness in the OS. It's probably fixable through some manual keymapping. Bluetooth is more annoying but I so…

I had the same problem, the solution is here: https://community.frame.work/t/12th-gen-not-sending-xf86monb... You can enable the hotkey support by blacklisting the hid-sensor-hub driver: vi /etc/modprobe.d/framework-als-blacklist.conf Add the following: blacklist hid-sensor-hub And then restart It worked, but it needed `hid_sensor_hub` with underscores! and `sudo update-initramfs -u` before the reboot

Just got around to trying this and it worked. Thank you!

Re: The Framework Laptop Chromebook Edition

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Post by warent »

jbeard4 wrote: post #367
warent wrote: post #195

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I'm using 12th gen processor, latest versions of Ubuntu and Linux Ubuntu: Ubuntu 22.04.1 LTS Linux: 5.17.0-051700-generic The only problems I've had so far is the "brightness" fn keys don't work, and bluetooth isn't great with certain devices like Airpods. The brightness keys isn't a big deal, can still set brightness in the OS. It's probably fixable through some manual keymapping. Bluetooth is more annoying but I so…

Hi, I saw your comment about Bluetooth issues with your AirPods, and I wanted to let you know that I have been having great success using my AirPods after I swapped out Pulseaudio for Pipewire on my System76 lemur pro laptop running PopOS. I think Ubuntu is planning to migrate from Pulseaudio to Pipewire as the default sound server, but maybe they haven’t done it yet. Anyway, this might be something you want to try.…

I see! It appears Ubuntu 22 has both Pulseaudio and Pipewire installed, and Pulseaudio is set to the default, with Pipewire just not enabled. Will poke around at it. Maybe they're making some incremental transition still.

Thanks for the tip

Re: The Framework Laptop Chromebook Edition

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Post by xorcist »

ayushnix wrote: post #307
xorcist wrote: post #222

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> Even on a device designed to support Linux (Framework, Thinkpad, whatever) There's apparently a world of difference. Nothing about the Framework suggests it was designed for Linux. A proper Thinkpad does not have issues with hibernation, or losing battery, or graphics, or any of the other things you mentioned. I just want something that works, and will receive updates as long as there are users. I don't want to muc…

> A proper Thinkpad does not have issues with hibernation, or losing battery, or graphics, or any of the other things you mentioned. Not sure if my E495 would qualify as a "proper thinkpad", although I've read about the same issues on T series laptops, I've almost never managed to make my laptop sleep in the 3 years I've owned this laptop starting from kernel version 5.4.x to the present 5.19.x. Whenever I try to 'sy…

The T- and X-series is what people usually refer to as the "real" Thinkpads, which existed before this Lenovo nonsense. Lenovo labels widely varying hardware under the Thinkpad brand, but that's not what you want as a Linux user.

I don't know about the E-series specifically, sorry.

Re: The Framework Laptop Chromebook Edition

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Post by ayushnix »

xorcist wrote: post #475
ayushnix wrote: post #307

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> A proper Thinkpad does not have issues with hibernation, or losing battery, or graphics, or any of the other things you mentioned. Not sure if my E495 would qualify as a "proper thinkpad", although I've read about the same issues on T series laptops, I've almost never managed to make my laptop sleep in the 3 years I've owned this laptop starting from kernel version 5.4.x to the present 5.19.x. Whenever I try to 'sy…

The T- and X-series is what people usually refer to as the "real" Thinkpads, which existed before this Lenovo nonsense. Lenovo labels widely varying hardware under the Thinkpad brand, but that's not what you want as a Linux user. I don't know about the E-series specifically, sorry.

As I wrote before, I have observed similar issues reported by many T series owners when I was desperately scouring the Internet for a fix for months. Of course, I haven't used a T series ThinkPad so I can't say if these issues got resolved or not. I gave up long ago and now keep my laptop on 24x7 when I'm not traveling.
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