How nice for OP. Just a handful of my issues: - only one speaker works so volume is low - finger print scanner doesn’t work - battery life is poor compared to Windows on same machine - suspend and hibernate doesn’t work - random freezes - charging indicator unreliable - trackpad wrist filtering is very poor - boot failures after OS updates I have now switched to a Mac with Apple Silicon. I really tried with Linux for…
Linux on the laptop works so damn well that it’s boring
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Re: Linux on the laptop works so damn well that it’s boring
#242Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, running Linux on Windows hardware is often a recipe for misery, or at least dealing with obscure kernel parameters. Which is why I've said and will say again: slapping Linux on Windows hardware is a mug's game. Buy it preinstalled, from a company that supports it. We actually have that option these days, and it's amazing . Some days, I swear the smartest thing Apple ever did was prevent users from slapping OSX o…
What is “Windows hardware”?
Re: Linux on the laptop works so damn well that it’s boring
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Re: Linux on the laptop works so damn well that it’s boring
#244Earlier quoted context omitted.
Whatever… I'm glad to no longer have to fight my operating system to work with my hardware like I always had to on Windows - "Plug and Pray" was a joke for a valid reason. Installing drivers is for rubes. I'd rather plug stuff in and just get to work without going on a freakin' scavenger hunt for drivers… If you hate Linux so much, then just don't use it. Simple, yeah?
I greatly prefer Linux and use Windows when some software forces me to, but I don't feel that your comment is constructive in this conversation. Windows is generally a smoother experience. Linux is generally not ready for the average user with a randomly picked computer, as much as we'd wish it is.
Re: Linux on the laptop works so damn well that it’s boring
#245Yeah, no. Maybe with old laptops, but newer laptops still have their fair share of issues. When I bought my thinkpad A485 kernels wouldn't boot without additional parameters, the graphics would freeze at times and cause a hardlock, sleep and hibernation have been fixed and broken again intermittently over several kernel versions, the wifi card's AP mode started causing segfaults in kernel 5.2 due to the driver's rewr…
For the past 20 years I have been only using Thinkpad from the T and the X series. The only one with an issue was I think the X220 with the SD card reader not being stable. All the other ones are working perfectly well. My current one is a T480. But I always take some time to look if somebody succeed in installing Linux on the laptop I want to buy before. If it means I need to wait an extra 6 months, then I wait a bi…
Re: Linux on the laptop works so damn well that it’s boring
#246Yeah, no. Maybe with old laptops, but newer laptops still have their fair share of issues. When I bought my thinkpad A485 kernels wouldn't boot without additional parameters, the graphics would freeze at times and cause a hardlock, sleep and hibernation have been fixed and broken again intermittently over several kernel versions, the wifi card's AP mode started causing segfaults in kernel 5.2 due to the driver's rewr…
IMHO, the fact that you need a kernel patch for a key LED is what holds Linux back.
1. Crashing regularly for most of the early Windows 10 era, leaving users with a frozen mute LED,
2. Was found to contain an actual keylogger. Yes, the driver as shipped by HP and signed by MS had malware.
Google "mictray64.exe" .
Re: Linux on the laptop works so damn well that it’s boring
#247No it does not. Give it to me for 5’ and I will find at least 10 things that are broken. Energy management, monitor color profiles, external monitors, discrete gpu / integrated switching, Bluetooth, webcam settings all these are broken. Stop defending the state of Linux in personal computing. The best we can do is to put it in a VM and run it in a OS that has actual hardware support.
Nvidia crap works better on Windows (except for CUDA) and more settings have a GUI. Windows's fan profile can be switched between "VTOL takeoff" and "entirely silent but slow as hell". This includes all the firmware updates and driver updates I can find.
That's not necessarily a defence for Linux; Linux has rough edges if you need pretty much anything more than a browser and aren't technically inclined, in part because the online community can't help themselves from suggesting complex, out-of-date command line solutions for things that have had a GUI for a decade now. It's also inherently harder for enthusiasts to get system support than for a company with fulltime paid developers. That's an excuse for much of the poor experience but the end result is still not very attractive for many people.
It's more of an insult to the current state of Windows and its hardware partners. The Linux Foundation doesn't have contracts with its manufacturers and yet its hardware ecosystem is more stable than Windows 11. Whatever the hell Microsoft did to sleep mode is turning laptops into backpack heaters and that's honestly inexcusable.
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#248We burned an evening just last week tracing an Intel wifi driver issue to missing kernel headers that required upgrading the kernel to a new, non-LTS version. And only then did we move on to Nvidia drivers. So no, still not the year of Linux on the desktop. Our entire dev team does it, but largely because Nvidia and Apple stopped working together. The bigger surprise is Windows WSL2 is just about there for Ubuntu sup…
Do you know if that situation has improved in the last year or so?
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#250Also related: Linux Subsystem for Windows works in similar manner (at least for me!) - I've switched couple years ago from Linux -> OSX -> Linux -> WSL (when WSL was in 1.x version at the time and lacking from couple features) and gosh, I've never looked back since then (disclaimer: I'm a front-end developer (and making games in my spare time using various tools) and for my needs I've never found a serious complain a…