Mozilla claims Apple, Google and Microsoft force users to use default browsers

Post by throwaway41597 » Fri, Sep 23, 2022, 11:43 PM UTC

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I wasn't sure what your concern was, but is it that? 1 ) Hardware authenticators won't spit their root secret, almost by design. 2 ) Webauthn doesn't require that the authenticator store the list of accounts, also by design (for privacy). So if you want to switch from iPhone to Android, you have to remember all websites you used Passkey on, and go one by one hunting down the right security settings page.

My concern isn't either, although both are interesting discussions - 1 in particular is relevant but understandable, as this prevents you from pairing tokens so you can maintain an off-site backup you don't have to retrieve every time you make a new account. The specific challenge here is around software webauthn for passwordless access (think using Safari to create an account on a site). In this scenario, the averag…

Post by encryptluks2 » Fri, Sep 23, 2022, 11:49 PM UTC

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They're right, recently I've installed some Windows update for my parents and I had to reject like 5 suggested changes - installing Office trial, switching default browser to Edge yet again, and more. But this goes way beyond the browsers - I've never explicitly installed Keychain on my iphone and yet it shows as an option next to 1password every time I fill in a password field. Google calendar asks me to install an…

It's also impossible to set up someone less technical with an alternative. The platform will keep prompting them incessantly and in various different ways, and sooner or later they'll switch or activate something by mistake. It really needs to be possible to say "no means no". But somehow, continuously nagging seems to have become acceptable.

Post by bryanlarsen » Fri, Sep 23, 2022, 11:54 PM UTC

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The win11 / Edge bullshit finally pushed me to migrate my last win machine to linux. I used to love Windows, nowadays it just makes me bitter. Do you know typing "torrent" in the start menu doesn't find "qbittorrent"? In 2022. It sums it all. And the acquisitions... I've had countless minecraft sessions ruined because of microsoft account / store issues. Don't even get me started on realms and the chat policing bulls…

> The win11 / Edge bullshit finally pushed me to migrate my last win machine to linux. I used to love Windows, nowadays it just makes me bitter. Do you know typing "torrent" in the start menu doesn't find "qbittorrent"? In 2022. It sums it all. Heh, try KDE's KRunner. I type 'kt' and it matches ktorrent. But if I type 'kto' it switches to matching "Des kto p 8". 'ktor' once again matches ktorrent.

Post by Schroedingersat » Sat, Sep 24, 2022, 12:02 AM UTC

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The most maddening thing is how little other governments seem to care about it it. Forcing windows, android, and ios on your citizens and gifting silicon valley a constant worldwide surveillance feed is incredibly harmful to long term interests. Forcing every business to use office365 to interact with any government office is a 1% income tax gifted to the american economy.

The U.S. would never allow the EU to ban American web services to try to foster European innovation like China's doing. They have strong ways to enforce this including by starting a trade war. But there's no reason for countries like India not to do it. Russia did it; it's not just massive countries that can get away with it.

Post by kitsunesoba » Sat, Sep 24, 2022, 12:06 AM UTC

tomComb wrote: post #197

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My comment said nothing about Safari or iOS, and Google's pushing goes far beyond just Android. Using any Google product in a non-Google browser will trigger a "Download Chrome!" dialog, and that includes things like Google's search which practically everybody uses. It's even present in Gmail, Sheets, etc on iOS, where instead of using the default browser when tapping links it will show a chooser that includes Chrome…

Now I’m starting to wonder … perhaps you aren’t aware that all that stuff you are writing about iOS is simply not relevant to your stated goals. I’ll say it again, Apple simply does not allow competing browser engines. Complaining about Google competing hard, while refusing to even acknowledge that Apple simply refuses to compete is weird.