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Good Coffee Is Now Bad

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Re: Good Coffee Is Now Bad

#21
If specialty coffee stops being "different", then it's no longer specialty - it's a commodity.

I'm reading the "Best of Jimseven 2004-2015" [1] book, where then-blogger, now-Youtuber [2] James Hoffman explores his own journey starting a cafe. And, in it he talks about the original marketing challenges of positioning a specialty cafe:

> What those of us in specialty coffee offer isn’t necessarily unilaterally better coffee, but among our offerings are different lots of coffee someone will probably enjoy more than what they’re drinking

> My concern is that when our tone implies we have something better, because we think what they are drinking is terrible, then we're likely to have them become closed rather than open to trying something new and better.

James concludes that calling specialty coffee "better" is counter-productive, and that specialty coffee should instead market a "diversity" of experiences.

As nondescript cafes like Blank Street rise in prominence - that means that baseline coffee expectations of society have increased, from gas station sludge to robot-brown-water. But, "better" doesn't mean "specialty."

There's still room for cafes that offer different experiences - like a nice Sey roast. Specialty is best defined by "different" or "unique". And, what qualifies as "different" may be a moving target. And, that's ok - not every cafe can maintain a unique experience and not every customer wants a challenging cup of coffee.

You can have a great cafe without superlative-inspiring brew. Let's face it - the customer service of a local cafe impacts people's experiences far more than the particular coffee they're served.

[1] https://tenshundredsthousands.com/products/the-best-of-jimse...

[2] https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMb0O2CdPBNi-QqPk5T3gsQ

Re: Good Coffee Is Now Bad

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Meh. Complaining that coffee snobbery has got more accessible is like complaining that good cameras have got more accessible. Yes, there are some people whose expenditure outpaces their talent. But a lot of the original coffee snobs weren't people of great judgement either. And complaining about those kind of middlebrow coffee snobs in the same article where you talk about how you'd pick Dunkin over Starbucks is the…

I don’t coffee but I took it as “you used to be able to go to small shop and pay more and get good coffee, but now everything is better across the board and Dunkin’s has decent coffee and many small shops are no better”.

Which happens all the time when the (hipster/prosumer/whatever) takes off.

Same thing with cameras - any standalone camera used to be better than a phone camera, but the phone cameras got better.

Re: Good Coffee Is Now Bad

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post #2

Meh. Complaining that coffee snobbery has got more accessible is like complaining that good cameras have got more accessible. Yes, there are some people whose expenditure outpaces their talent. But a lot of the original coffee snobs weren't people of great judgement either. And complaining about those kind of middlebrow coffee snobs in the same article where you talk about how you'd pick Dunkin over Starbucks is the…

Agreed, I think the average “coffee snob” really just wants people to enjoy coffee that doesn’t have to be 50% cream and sugar. Coffee doesn’t have to be that acrid tasting black water made from over-roasted, stale, coffee grounds that our parents often drank.

Re: Good Coffee Is Now Bad

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post #12

Even 'bad' coffee is now bad. I have a Krispy Kreme and Dunkin 5 minutes from my house and the quality has hit rock bottom since 2020. It's not even that cheap!

The volatility in quality labor and ingredient prices is wreaking havoc on the probability of receiving a satisfactory food/drink.

If I am going to receive my food/drink with a mistake or just not made well 50% of the time, I will just go without. And/or I am getting older and turning into my dad, but I feel like all the staff turnover and increases in ingredient pricing must have an effect on quality of product and service.

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Everything that starts with snobs and crosses over to the mainstream (with "quality" pricing) will eventually revert to lowest common denominator crap quality (while retaining quality branding) because the marks can't tell the difference. Why not cut costs and increase margin if most of your customers don't notice? Apple is one of the few companies in a position to do this who doesn't consistently do it, because qual…

This is true in the US but not universally true. We are a commercial society where the money matters more than the prestiege or whatever other reward for making a great product. There are places I’ve been to in Italy or Japan where this is not the case, in fact I wouldn’t even know what good coffee was if not for those countries.

Re: Good Coffee Is Now Bad

#26
Disappointed. Thought this was going to be an article about how climate change is affecting coffee growing regions, changing the terroir of the beans (and yields).

Re: Good Coffee Is Now Bad

#27
Good coffee, really good coffee is easy. You get a heat gun, you get an old fashioned flour sifter. You order some interesting green beans from sweetmarias.com. You roast the beans over the heat gun while holding the flour sifter and cranking. I do 2/3 pound batches. There are lots of fast and easy ways to brew the coffee. My current favorite is an aeropress because it takes a few minutes, but moka pots are very good.

This is good coffee. Truly good. I can roast dark, light, Kenya, Java, Mexican. I can make my own blend.

Or I can go down the street or drive and get some coffee and pay a huge amount to someone who can't roast as well as I can. Doesn't know which coffee beans are best. Where I will never be able to try Yemeni Bani Haraz.

You could call me a snob, but I work for my coffee.

Re: Good Coffee Is Now Bad

#28
I'm an SCA (Speciality Coffee Association) certified barista and have, as part of my work travels, drank speciality coffee all around the world in many different coffee shops.

Most of it is terrible.

It's not that I have the best palate or anything like that; it's that most of the places have undertrained staff behind the counter and serve under- or overextracted coffee all day! Most of it is either acidic or bitter to the point where you're losing all the qualities of the coffee beans and upsets my stomach.

I've only found a handful of shops around the globe that genuinely care about the craft and will serve genuinely good coffee every time. (e.g. Prufrock in London, Tim Wendelboe in Oslo) The rest of the coffee shops are worse than useless, I'd rather go to a Starbucks or even McDonald's for my coffee than upset my stomach with that crap.

Re: Good Coffee Is Now Bad

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post #11

coffee, when done well, is much better at home i use a french press and the "hoffmann method". grounds go in the press, pour in boiling water. wait a couple minutes and stir gently. scoop off the foam. steep for a total of 5-7 minutes. press and pour. i cant imagine paying $5 for a cup of subpar coffee.

That's a false dichotomy for me. If I am near my french press, I will never pay for a cup of coffee. However, if I am not near an available french press, i.e. on the road, I have no other choice than to buy a cup of coffee, unless I pass on coffee entirely. But since I can't really whip out my french press in an airport, I still occasionally pay too much for mediocre coffee.

> But since I can't really whip out my french press in an airport

You can whip out an aeropress in an airport, and can probably finnagle 200mL boiling water from one of the eateries or shops (I would assume that to be the bigger challenge as you can’t exactly start a fire at the gate, not to mention carrying a gas cartridge through security).

Re: Good Coffee Is Now Bad

#30

Starbucks makes delicious cappuccinos and mocha espressos probably by dumping a month's worth of recommended daily allowances of sugar in them. But they are yummie. Their house blend drip coffee of various roasts, however, is burnt. Starbuck's signature flavor for their drip coffee is burned coffee. I don't know how Starbucks thought that burning their coffee was a novel idea, and I don't know how anyone can drink it…

They burn their coffee (make it bitter) because it then works better with sugar. Too much sugar and we don't like something, too much bitter notes and the same thing, but when you combine bitterness and sugar, our body really likes it for some reason. Hence Starbucks. (Have to add fat in there, too ;)
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